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Proven Guilty speculation, because, why not?
morriswalters:
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I don’t know if that’s necessarily true regarding Summerfire being the only way Harry could take down Eldest Fetch - given how well he performed in the Faerie war in SK, & he was fresh off beating a bunch of necromancers.. I do believe that Mab was not expecting Harry to have access to Summerfire, or to use it differently if he did - this is one I believe Lily got past Maeve & Mab both (mostly since they weren’t expecting her to show any initiative of her own).
Since you’re in the camp that believes that Mab allowed the assault to happen & was actually in full control the whole time (except for the Nfected Maeve part), was Harry in any real danger against Eldest Fetch? Mab could presumably have dispatched it at any time since she had run the table at that point.
We’ve argued before about this - if Mab was
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No book before or after this one has so many loose ends. It's very hard to come up with a scenario that puts Harry at Arctis Tor that don't have Mab playing puppeteer. The Black Council shows up with a team and major Hellfire, maybe with Lucifer's aid, and speculating as to how far they got, the only answer that works, is not very far at all. Harry shows up with Thomas, Murphy, Charity and himself. And gets an invitation to the penthouse. And Mab winks at him on the way out.
Now look at the other side of the coin. Three attacks at the Con. The first is different then the other two. Mainly in that nobody gets killed. Drop the lights and go to work at that point and the fetches could have had a field day. But they're in and out, no myrk, no flickering lights, and Nelson's only hazard is making a mess by moving too quick. The only conceivable reason for that attack it to make sure that the theater was empty. With a stretch gosl of keeping Harry from killing himself with LC.
About Lily and Maeve.
--- Quote ---“That is one way to describe it,” Lily said quietly. “I would not, myself, interpret it that way. I had no part in bringing the fetches here—but their presence and their capture of Lady Charity’s daughter presented us with an opportunity to temporarily neutralize the presence of Mab’s forces upon our borders.”
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I not we. It only becomes us later in the paragraph. A suspicious mind would infer that Maeve sent the fetches. And Lily has done this, look the other way while bad things happen, at Maeve's behest before, in Cold Days.
kbrizzle:
I disagree about the assault not getting very far - Harry explicitly states while examining the damage on his way to the ‘penthouse’ that an entire section of remains are from Mab’s personal guard who died defending her way to the Wellspring. That and the fact that Mab, Molly & Eldest Fetch are the only beings alive in Arctis Tor when Harry & co. take their field trip there makes me think that Mab won a costly victory that required her to retreat to the stronghold within her castle.
So are you saying that Mab was responsible for the first attack on the Con & Maeve for the other 2?
morriswalters:
Well, the attack is over. Whatever had happened was finished and Thorned Namshiel was gone. If there was no one there but Mab and the fetches, then it was because that was the way Mab wanted it. And there is no indication that they ever got close to the Wellspring. I can infer what the attack was about. It wasn't a plot by Nic, in Small Favor he is shocked when he hears. So some variation of the Black Council. One of the first things Eb asks Harry to do is
--- Quote from: Eb in Proven Guilty ---Find out why the Sidhe haven’t gone to war.
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The attacks in Dead Beat are the only explanation for why Mab doesn't retaliate. And as such accomplished their goal.
--- Quote from: kbrizzle ---So are you saying that Mab was responsible for the first attack on the Con & Maeve for the other 2?
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Three counting the one at the Fool Moon Garage. I don't like having to look at what Jim has written and parse the words for that kind of nuance, but certainly Lily could have said, we didn't send the fetches, rather than I didn't. And in hindsight we know the whole Mab is nuts thing is a ploy by Maeve encouraged by the adversary.
Kindler:
I assumed the Black Council's assault on Arctis Tor was an attempt to release Lea, so Infected Lea might be able to corrupt the Well.
morriswalters:
What question is asked by Eb at the beginning? Why didn't Mab attack the Reds? Because somebody with testicles that drag the ground blew the portcullis at Arctis Tor to flinders.
--- Quote ---Lily nodded. “Like us, she fears Mab’s recent madness.” She turned back to me. “I provided you with power enough to threaten the wellspring, in the hope that you would draw some portion of Winter back into its own demesnes. Once that was done, Maeve altered the passage of time relative to the mortal realms.”
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The time effect is the reason why the raid could have been nothing more than a feint. There wouldn't have been time with all of faerie coming hell bent for leather, to do much else. However Lily's butterfly almost accomplished it anyway.
What should intrigue you is the portal at the theater. Can you imagine that the ways into Arctis Tor are any less difficult to open then the ways to Hades?
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