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How often does Harry's withholding of information actually get people hurt...
huangjimmy108:
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on June 04, 2019, 05:20:52 AM ---She's specifically going around investigating supernatural stuff. The laws of probability show that at some point, she's going to run into the real thing, regardless of whether Harry is advertising as a wizard or not.
Some examples of her getting involved investigating supernatural stuff unrelated to Harry:
-She was investigating three-eye before Harry even realized that it was a magical drug.
-I believe that part of the reason she asked Harry out on a date was that she was also investigating the magical murders happening in Storm Front.
-She started investigating the werewolf murders independently and parallel to Harry.
If Harry weren't around, she would still be investigating all these things, and things like them.
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She snoops around, but she gotten nowhere.
I don't remember she investigate the 3 eye drug, but even if she does, I don't remember she gotten anywhere. The only time she has any contact with the matter is when she visits Harry in his apartment.
She heard about the serial murder case in book 2, but she would never gotten into anything until Harry call her for help.
Susan can never find the supernatural, because before she and Hary actually soulgaze, I doubt she really believes in the supernatural. She is just a tabloid reporter trying to find sensational news. Therefore, even her investigations over the 3 eye drug and the serial murder case in book 2 is prompted by her encounter with Harry, otherwise it wouldn't cross her mind that this things are truly supernatural in origin.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---I don't remember she investigate the 3 eye drug, but even if she does, I don't remember she gotten anywhere. The only time she has any contact with the matter is when she visits Harry in his apartment.
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Yes, she hadn't gotten anywhere. This is because A) She was focussing on Harry, which she wouldn't do if Harry wasn't involved; and B) Harry wrapped up the three-eye thing extremely quickly.
If Harry wasn't involved (and if he wasn't advertising as a wizard, he wouldn't be involved with police cases either) then the whole thing would have taken longer, and Susan would have been exploring different avenues--for example, poking around those connected to the victims of Victor Sells, like, say, Bianca.
(Also, if Harry wasn't involved, a lot more people would have died.)
--- Quote ---She heard about the serial murder case in book 2, but she would never gotten into anything until Harry call her for help.
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Really? I'd figure reporter tactic 101 would be to start talking to police officers and following them around, and I somehow don't think the FBI hexenwolves would take well to that.
Susan seems to have been following SI's cases in the first few books, so as long as SI was getting supernatural cases, Susan had a high chance of stumbling into something genuinely supernatural.
--- Quote ---Susan can never find the supernatural, because before she and Hary actually soulgaze, I doubt she really believes in the supernatural. She is just a tabloid reporter trying to find sensational news. Therefore, even her investigations over the 3 eye drug and the serial murder case in book 2 is prompted by her encounter with Harry, otherwise it wouldn't cross her mind that this things are truly supernatural in origin.
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Really? Because the book says that Harry's soulgaze of Susan showed that she was driven by a passion to find the truth, and between that and the fact that she's explicitly stated to be a good reporter who would be well-respected if not for the supernatural stuff, I had always thought that it was clear that Susan only got into paranormal reporting because she believed in the supernatural.
morriswalters:
The shapeshifter is a force of nature. While he delivered the blow, Harry was the cause. He didn't go looking for the pack, he went looking for Harry. And Jim through the way he writes Harry, seems to feel the same way. In Cold Front in a bid to reduce possible collateral damage, he breaks in to Butters apartment to steal Bob rather then knocking and saying please. Harry is a lightning rod and he owes it to everyone around him to explain the danger of standing near him in lightning storms. After Turn Coat he's figured this out and all his allies are clued in.
From the Dresden Wiki.
--- Quote ---She was part of the occult community of Chicago, and a young woman who Harry Dresden helped teach to control her magical talent.
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Perhaps apprentice is too strong a word.
--- Quote ---Dresden feels incredibly guilty over her death, and very responsible for not giving her enough data to make an informed decision.[2] There are many parallels between her situation and Susan Rodriguez's later on. The early mistake with Delaney and Rodriguez undoubtedly made it so that he now has a more honest and open relationship with his later apprentice, Molly Carpenter.(reference needed)
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I wish I had read this before I responded. I would have quoted it then as it is simpler then what I wrote.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---The shapeshifter is a force of nature. While he delivered the blow, Harry was the cause.
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No it isn't. The shapeshifter does not have free-will, but that only means that it cannot change its essential nature, ie it cannot suddenly decide not to torture people. It absolutely could have decided to, for example, kill Andi instead of Kirby, or to lurk outside Harry's apartment and kidnap his apprentice instead of following Harry, or to not take the job of dealing with Harry and Morgan in the first place and go torture people in Alaska.
And even if the Skinwalker is not responsible, I still don't see how that makes Harry completely responsible either. Here is the chain of events: Someone decides to hire the Skinwalker to go after Morgan; Morgan decides to go to Harry; Harry decides to help Morgan, and further to go to Will's house after he sees the Skinwalker; Will decides to let him in and call the rest of the pack; Kirby decides to come and to patrol. Why is it Harry's fault instead of the fault of Kirby, Will, Morgan, or whoever hired the Skinwalker?
--- Quote ---And Jim through the way he writes Harry, seems to feel the same way.
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Jim writes Harry as having a guilt complex and blaming himself for things that aren't his fault.
--- Quote ---Harry is a lightning rod and he owes it to everyone around him to explain the danger of standing near him in lightning storms.
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I'd like it noted that I feel uncomfortable with the claim that Harry owes it to people around him to explain everything, and I have a gut feeling that it's wrong. However, it's after 2am here, so I cannot find the words to explain why I feel that way. I may come back to this after I've gotten some sleep.
I know that the above paragraph is a crappy argument. Sorry about that.
huangjimmy108:
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on June 04, 2019, 05:50:25 AM ---Yes, she hadn't gotten anywhere. This is because A) She was focussing on Harry, which she wouldn't do if Harry wasn't involved; and B) Harry wrapped up the three-eye thing extremely quickly.
If Harry wasn't involved (and if he wasn't advertising as a wizard, he wouldn't be involved with police cases either) then the whole thing would have taken longer, and Susan would have been exploring different avenues--for example, poking around those connected to the victims of Victor Sells, like, say, Bianca.
(Also, if Harry wasn't involved, a lot more people would have died.)
Really? I'd figure reporter tactic 101 would be to start talking to police officers and following them around, and I somehow don't think the FBI hexenwolves would take well to that.
Susan seems to have been following SI's cases in the first few books, so as long as SI was getting supernatural cases, Susan had a high chance of stumbling into something genuinely supernatural.
Really? Because the book says that Harry's soulgaze of Susan showed that she was driven by a passion to find the truth, and between that and the fact that she's explicitly stated to be a good reporter who would be well-respected if not for the supernatural stuff, I had always thought that it was clear that Susan only got into paranormal reporting because she believed in the supernatural.
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Susan has been following SI's cases, and if not for Harry medlling, Murphy and SI would have stonewall her and effectively so.
Susan would never get into anything big if not for Harry, that is in the unlikely case she could find anything at all. And it certain that she could not have known about the vampire party or forge an invitation in the firstplace if she is not Harry's girlfriend.
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