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I think Murphy is going to get killed here is why
Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on May 29, 2019, 09:41:10 AM ---FUD=fear, uncertainty, and doom.On my reread of chapter one, in no particular order, Mab has used the Lake ice to keep people out. She's blocked access to Molly, she manipulated Harry's messages to his friends to Molly to sow distrust. She has effectively kept him from hooking up to his allies as time dragged by. Harry never meant to be there for all that time. Thank Mab. Murphy may or may not have known of the parasite. Bob conveniently didn't know. Thomas is Thomas. As to why Murphy didn't council him, maybe she did and it wasn't sufficient. Jim telegraphs this at the beginning. Harry is worrying about trust and who he should trust.
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That is the whole point! Since both Thomas and Murphy managed to get through, they knew it wasn't Harry's doing. She claims to trust him.. It isn't about who Harry trusts, it is about why the message never got to Butters.. Yes, once Mab fetches him from the island it is about who Harry trusts because he knows there are very few places where he can set out the facts and not be over heard.
morriswalters:
Why did Butters need to know? It isn't a problem that he can solve, and the more people who know the greater the likelihood that the information might leak and thus move Harry from the, unknown status, column to the, not a threat currently, column. The rest is about the book as a writer, so I've spoilered it.
(click to show/hide)The point isn't who Harry trusts, rather that trust is the theme of the book. If your looking for motivation for Jim's choice of why there need be a chase, then look at it as a way to explore trust. Trust involves an element of faith. Faith that the person your trusting deserves that trust. If you constantly need reassuring then you lack that element of faith.
Butters steps over a line. Rather than walking away or creating distance until he could find clarity he turns into a snoop. As a character I don't like Butters. Anyone who did what he did in my personal space would find himself an outsider. But it's Jim's book and Jim's choice.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Why did Butters need to know? It isn't a problem that he can solve, and the more people who know the greater the likelihood that the information might leak and thus move Harry from the, unknown status, column to the, not a threat currently, column. The rest is about the book as a writer, so I've spoilered it.
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Again, you are missing the point, it isn't about what happened in Skin Game.. Butters was upset because of the fight with the Fomen was not going well, children were disappearing, Harry was no where to be seen or there to help, this made him angry at Harry... Speculating here, he expressed that to Bob who may have planted some things about Mab and the Winter Knight gig that made him both scared of and mistrustful of Harry... This set up the chase that almost blew everything in Skin Game... ALL or most may have been prevented if when he vented Murphy or Thomas spoke up, it isn't that Harry doesn't want to be there, he cannot be there... And we know that Butters must have said something because Murphy told Harry that Butters had problems with him because of the fight with the Fomen and his helplessness... Reassurance that Harry was still Harry could have gone a long way to prevent the panic chase that almost ended in disaster... In fact the fact that neither Murphy nor Thomas did anything to reassure Butters before hand that it wasn't Harry's choice not to be there in the fight against the Fomen played right into Nic's hands...
morriswalters:
I've said this is about trust. I'll let the book speak.
--- Quote ---"You heard that, huh?" I asked.
"Yeah," she said. "I did."
She crossed to the refrigerator, opened it, and took out a jug of orange juice.
She got a plastic drinking glass out of the cupboard and poured it full.
Then she passed the juice to me.
I grimaced and drank some.
"You agree with him?"
"I understand him," she said.
"But do you agree?"
"I trust you," she said.
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This just after Butters expresses his doubts. Does this read like Murphy knows more than Butters? Or is framed to show that Murphy is working off of her understanding of Harry and not any knowledge?
Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on May 29, 2019, 05:16:21 PM ---I've said this is about trust. I'll let the book speak.This just after Butters expresses his doubts. Does this read like Murphy knows more than Butters? Or is framed to show that Murphy is working off of her understanding of Harry and not any knowledge?
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She did visit him on the island.... That gives her more knowledge... I find it hard to believe that she wouldn't have said anything to him about the fight against the Fomen.. If she trusts him, she'd know he had a good reason for not leaving the island, thus not let Butters escalate into the state of mistrust and fear he arrived at...
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