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I think Murphy is going to get killed here is why
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---But I doubt that Butters would have kept silent! That is the point, especially with young kids being
kidnapped left right and center... At the very least he would have bitched to Murphy about it.
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This.
--- Quote ---It is out of character for Butters to act as he did, not asking questions first as to why, just being angry.
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Also this.
--- Quote --- I think Bob may have had something to do with it... He has a real hate/fear thing going on with Mab, so would suspect the worst for Harry and put some ideas into Butters' head...
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Maybe, but what Bob's worried about doesn't actually line up too well with Butters' stated suspicions--Bob is worried that the Winter Knight mantle is going to change Harry, but Butters has said that what he was worried about is that Harry came back wrong from being dead, which is a different thing.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Mira on May 28, 2019, 06:06:36 PM ---But I doubt that Butters would have kept silent! That is the point, especially with young kids being
kidnapped left right and center... At the very least he would have bitched to Murphy about it. I don't think Butters had Harry on a pedestal so much as he had always been understanding.. It is out of character for Butters to act as he did, not asking questions first as to why, just being angry. I think Bob may have had something to do with it... He has a real hate/fear thing going on with Mab, so would suspect the worst for Harry and put some ideas into Butters' head... I doubt that fear that Andriel was listening was a factor, because the problem wasn't with the Fallen, it was with the Foman .. The degree of the anger Butters displays isn't rational unless he is being fed the wrong information as to why Harry is gone, this could have come from Bob... I doubt he would have kept his mouth shut about it, I just wonder why neither Murphy nor Thomas set him straight.
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Putting it in the context of Skin Games. Anduriel is precisely the point. Butters confronts Harry and Harry tells him that he can't tell him.
--- Quote ---"So you tell me, Harry. Should I be anxious about Superman hanging out with Luthor? When I find out more about what you're dragging Karrin into, is it going to make me less worried? Because I'm not sure I know you anymore."
It was maybe fifteen seconds before I could answer.
"It isn't going to make you any less worried," I said quietly. "And I still can't talk to you about it."
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So Butter's doesn't keep silent. And Harry stonewalls him. There is about two pages of dialog that covers most of the points raised here prior to the part I quote.
Bob is FUD on the hoof. Jim uses him both as a talking head and as an all around confuser.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---Putting it in the context of Skin Games. Anduriel is precisely the point. Butters confronts Harry and Harry tells him that he can't tell him.
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I think what's being said here (and certainly what I'm saying) is that Butters should/would have said something before Skin Game.
--- Quote ---Bob is FUD on the hoof.
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What is FUD?
Mira:
--- Quote ---Putting it in the context of Skin Games. Anduriel is precisely the point. Butters confronts Harry and Harry tells him that he can't tell him.
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But that is a little late, Butters is already angry.... If he had been in the loop in the first place, i.e. clued in by Murphy who presumably is leading the fight against the Foman, he wouldn't have had to confront him nor would he have a reason to be afraid of him.. Even if Harry cannot tell him the exact reason, Butters would understand that it is a good one...
--- Quote ---So Butter's doesn't keep silent. And Harry stonewalls him. There is about two pages of dialog that covers most of the points raised here prior to the part I quote.
Bob is FUD on the hoof. Jim uses him both as a talking head and as an all around confuser
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You are missing the whole point... If things had been explained to Butters a couple of months or so before the big chase in Skin Game, the chase wouldn't have happened in the first place because if Butters knew there was a good reason for Harry to be away, even if he couldn't tell him at that point in Skin Game what it was, no chase, no FUD moment, end of story....
--- Quote ---I think what's being said here (and certainly what I'm saying) is that Butters should/would have said something before Skin Game.
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Exactly, his anger and fear has been building up way before the chase in Skin Game... Murphy and Thomas both know there is a good reason for Harry to be staying on the island.. If Murphy was playing leader of their defense group, no reason to think she wasn't, she was in Ghost Story, as a good leader she should have been able to read Butters... Then she should have took him to one side and even if she couldn't tell him exactly why Harry was away, say that there was a very good reason that will be explained later... Or who knows Butters may even have come to her... Something is missing in this picture, understood Butters is very upset about those kids, however he has always been the most sensible of men, thus he may not like Harry not being there, but at the same time understand it isn't really Harry's choice...
morriswalters:
FUD=fear, uncertainty, and doom.
--- Quote ---You are missing the whole point... If things had been explained to Butters a couple of months or so before the big chase in Skin Game, the chase wouldn't have happened in the first place because if Butters knew there was a good reason for Harry to be away, even if he couldn't tell him at that point in Skin Game what it was, no chase, no FUD moment, end of story....
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On my reread of chapter one, in no particular order, Mab has used the Lake ice to keep people out. She's blocked access to Molly, she manipulated Harry's messages to his friends to Molly to sow distrust. She has effectively kept him from hooking up to his allies as time dragged by. Harry never meant to be there for all that time. Thank Mab. Murphy may or may not have known of the parasite. Bob conveniently didn't know. Thomas is Thomas. As to why Murphy didn't council him, maybe she did and it wasn't sufficient. Jim telegraphs this at the beginning. Harry is worrying about trust and who he should trust.
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