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Taran:
AFAIK

As far as I know

g33k:

--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on April 16, 2019, 09:13:10 PM ---Sorry for being unclear. I was talking about having a Denarian shadow vs picking up the coin. 
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How /else/ would one gain a Denarian Shadow?
They are inextricably linked to the coins.

I suppose, hypothetically, one of the Fallen already in a Host might "cast a shadow" on someone without needing them to take up a coin?  I would be disinclined to allow it, honestly:  The Fallen already have a crap-ton of power, and putting demon-shadow split personalities into anyone they want seems like a violation of the strict rules by which they operate.
 

nadia.skylark:

--- Quote ---How /else/ would one gain a Denarian Shadow?
They are inextricably linked to the coins.
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What I mean is, when Harry touched Lasciel's coin, he got her shadow in his head. But then he buried the coin rather than picking it up, and Lasciel's shadow kept trying to talk him into picking up the coin.

But for a wizard, the two greatest advantages that being a Denarian offers is knowledge and hellfire, both of which you get with just the shadow--so what would the shadow use to tempt you to pick up the coin (aside from nebulous and unexplained "power")? My proposal was that the coin proper could offer another form of hellfire that combines with the one we've seen, or alternately some way of casting magic without stress.

nadia.skylark:
Re-reading this, I've come up with a vague concept that might work, but I need help refining it and figuring out if it actually does what I think it does.

What if, for soul-powered hellfire, you can get power bonuses but limited/no control; and for place-of-power hellfire, you don't lose power on your spells due to fallout?

Would that work? I got the idea for the fallout thing from the sponsored magic thread in the resources section, but as I remember there was a lot of debate on its effectiveness.

Also, I've actually written up the soul-powered hellfire as part of a soulfire/hellfire combo, but it's designed based on a different set of spellcasting rules, which I suspect aren't very balanced (they're designed because I'm using RPG character progression to hopefully stop my fanfiction character from becoming a Mary Sue, and the existing spellcasting rules didn't work with my narrative understanding of magic). It's far more powerful than anything that would work with the spellcasting RAW, both because you have to spend 23 refresh before you can even buy it and because my spellcasting rules allow a lot more stacking of bonuses as a side effect of the way I understand magic narratively. Would people be interested in my posting that (along with an explanation of the rules as they apply to it)?

Sanctaphrax:

--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on May 12, 2019, 04:09:43 AM ---What if, for soul-powered hellfire, you can get power bonuses but limited/no control; and for place-of-power hellfire, you don't lose power on your spells due to fallout?
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I like the idea of not losing power due to fallout.

Control bonuses being as important as they are, I feel like a power-only Sponsored Magic probably wouldn't be worth taking.


--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on May 12, 2019, 04:09:43 AM ---Also, I've actually written up the soul-powered hellfire as part of a soulfire/hellfire combo, but it's designed based on a different set of spellcasting rules, which I suspect aren't very balanced (they're designed because I'm using RPG character progression to hopefully stop my fanfiction character from becoming a Mary Sue, and the existing spellcasting rules didn't work with my narrative understanding of magic). It's far more powerful than anything that would work with the spellcasting RAW, both because you have to spend 23 refresh before you can even buy it and because my spellcasting rules allow a lot more stacking of bonuses as a side effect of the way I understand magic narratively. Would people be interested in my posting that (along with an explanation of the rules as they apply to it)?
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Sure, I'd be interested.

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