The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Is there anything Mab can't command Harry to do? (Getting out of the WK idea.)
Mira:
--- Quote from: groinkick on February 28, 2019, 03:49:00 PM ---The deal was that Mab would heal Harry if he became her Winter Knight. When Harry was going to break the laws of Winter, Mab reminded him of the deal. If he breaks his end of the bargain, Mab would return him to the state she found him in when they made their bargain.
Also Harry has been wrong in the books before. It wouldn't be unlike Mab to make him think that by giving up the Mantle he'd be paralyzed again. Just like Leah convinced Harry she gave him the ability to beat his former mentor when in reality she just gave his confidence a boost.
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Exactly, when you bargain with the Fae, especially with Mab you need an iron clad written contract and a electron microscope for reading the fine print and a bevy of lawyers and more than likely you'd still lose...
morriswalters:
--- Quote ---Because her deal required her to heal Harry before he became her Knight.
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No. I quoted the relevant passage before, the term was restore to health.
--- Quote ---“That before my service begins, you restore my body to health. That you grant me time enough to rescue my daughter and take her to safety, and strength and knowledge enough to succeed. And you give me your word that you will never command me to lift my hand against those I love.”
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Being how he says in Cold Days that he can bench press 400 kg I'll call that in good health. This is Mab following the letter of her word. She has never asked Harry to do anything that she didn't have a way of coercing his cooperation.
--- Quote ---This is all completely true. None of it refutes my point that Harry is not trying to weasel out of anything in that scene.
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I'll grant that. This is Harry doing what he always does, denying that any rules can bind him.
--- Quote ---Because I believe that Mab stuck an illusion in his head that it was broken, and that his back is separate from the mantle. If there is other evidence that the mantle is still active when Harry is stuck with iron, it would be evidence against this belief.
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I give you evidence in the form of the books text and you tell me that other than that what else can I show you. I don't think it works that way.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---No. I quoted the relevant passage before, the term was restore to health.
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It's debatable what "before my service begins" means. It could go either way.
--- Quote ---I give you evidence in the form of the books text and you tell me that other than that what else can I show you. I don't think it works that way.
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Normally I'd agree with you, but in this case I'm citing a WoJ which specifically says that the characters' perceptions are not reliable. (I'll try to find the exact wording when I'm not so busy--give me a day or two.)
Mira:
--- Quote --- “That before my service begins, you restore my body to health. That you grant me time enough to rescue my daughter and take her to safety, and strength and knowledge enough to succeed. And you give me your word that you will never command me to lift my hand against those I love.”
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He officially became Winter Knight after Slate's throat was cut and he had sex with Mab.. However just beforehe became her knight, his back was healed otherwise he could do neither. Then he asks permission to go and save his daughter since he'd then be her knight.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: peregrine on February 28, 2019, 05:41:33 PM ---Let's not forget that Harry outright and knowingly lied to Susan when talking about how the armor would protect her in Chichen Itza. He knew steel would go through fae enchantment like hot knife through butter, and was Winter Knight at that point.
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Harry could lie his butt off as Winter Knight. What he couldn't do was break the laws of hospitality.
--- Quote from: Mira on February 28, 2019, 09:28:21 PM --- He officially became Winter Knight after Slate's throat was cut and he had sex with Mab.. However just beforehe became her knight, his back was healed otherwise he could do neither. Then he asks permission to go and save his daughter since he'd then be her knight.
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Great point!
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