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Is there anything Mab can't command Harry to do? (Getting out of the WK idea.)
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---The effects of iron on the Mantle and the effects of breaking Winter Law are distinct and different.
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Yes. And why that is is an interesting question.
--- Quote ---And Harry isn't surprised in Cold Days that his legs cease to work when he attempts to break Winter Law..
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I read that as him being too busy panicking to be surprised.
--- Quote --- Remember that the only weasel in the room is Harry. Mab has been true to her word.
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Mab can be (and demonstrably is) a weasel despite techically always keeping her word. Remember the parasite thing?
--- Quote ---I read his experience as a warning to Harry about the trying to weasel out yet again.
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How is Harry trying to weasel out of anything? He never agreed to abide by Winter Law--he had only just found out that Winter Law was even a thing.
--- Quote ---Possibly the leg repair is an enchantment separate from the Mantle.
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Possibly. But if it is a non-permanent fae enchantment, the question remains: why wasn't it affected by iron?
peregrine:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on February 27, 2019, 08:17:04 PM ---Someone mentioned that Winter Law may have a way for Harry to get out of the mantel. He didn't agree to a term of service, so, in theory, the two or three years he's been the Winter Knight may have completely satisfied his end of the deal.
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It may have satisfied his deal, but that doesn't mean he can get out of it. There's still the issue of how one becomes an Ex-Winter Knight without dying in the process.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on February 27, 2019, 05:27:38 AM ---You may want to think of the mantle as a supernatural exoskeleton. She didn't fix his back. Given sufficient time his back will heal itself. All the better to keep Harry in line.
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Jim said she did fix his back. The deal was for his back to be healed, and she followed through on the deal. It's not the first time Mab has healed anyone. I do believe she healed Mac from a gunshot wound.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark ---Yes. And why that is is an interesting question.
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Not really. Since we don't know how the Mantles work, period. It need be plausible, only in the sense that inflatable tanks were plausible in the run up to D-Day in France.
However the biggest difference is that one instance paralyzes Harry again and the other doesn't. Canon would suggest that Harry still carries the Mantle in both cases. Since the Mantle is quasi sentient it may well be in the case of the nail that the Mantle is hurting and in the case of Winter Law the Mantle knows the law even if Harry doesn't, and reminds him by removing whatever mechanism that keeps Harry functioning.
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark ---I read that as him being too busy panicking to be surprised.
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He correctly evaluates his mistake, which you can see from how his legs start working again. And look at my response to peregrine at the end.
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark ---Mab can be (and demonstrably is) a weasel despite technically always keeping her word. Remember the parasite thing?
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A weasel that keeps her word, which is more than you can say for Harry. Murphy tells him so. To answer your second question In the relevant exchange Toot tells Harry it's Winter law and Harry says he didn't sign on, at which point the Mantle shows him the error of his way. While Harry may not know Winter Law, the Mantle does.
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark ---Possibly. But if it is a non-permanent fae enchantment, the question remains: why wasn't it affected by iron?
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Just because the Mantle is having a bad day it doesn't mean that it just quit working, it means it just quits working well.
--- Quote from: groinkick on February 28, 2019, 02:40:45 AM ---Jim said she did fix his back. The deal was for his back to be healed, and she followed through on the deal. It's not the first time Mab has healed anyone. I do believe she healed Mac from a gunshot wound.
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It turns out that the book doesn't support that position.
--- Quote from: Harry in Cold Days ---That scared the hell out of me and confirmed one of my worst fears. When I'd consented to serve Mab, my back had been broken, my spine damaged. Taking up the mantle had covered what would have probably been a crippling and long terms injury. But without it, my body was only mortal. Better than most at recovering over time, but still human. Without the mantle, I wouldn't have legs, bladder or bowel control, or, most importantly, independence.
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Mira:
--- Quote from: groinkick on February 28, 2019, 02:40:45 AM ---Jim said she did fix his back. The deal was for his back to be healed, and she followed through on the deal. It's not the first time Mab has healed anyone. I do believe she healed Mac from a gunshot wound.
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Exactly, she kept her part of the bargain, she also followed through on what she didn't promise.
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