The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Did Harry lie to Michael, or worse?
Mira:
--- Quote ---His knife can’t hurt you, I thought, though I knew damned well that no faerie magic could blithely ignore the touch of steel.
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Thank you for the quote and the context, but I don't think it is the same.. Harry sounded conflicted. Here is what I am wondering, was he sending mixed messages to Susan in that moment? Is he so disciplined mentally that he could mentally send a lie while at the same time believing something totally different? I think he sent that message with his doubts but it made no difference to Susan, she attacked anyway in her rage and she too wanted to save her daughter... Her own safety was the last thing she was worried about in that moment... Actually it was kind of dumb really for Harry to even suggest that her armor would protect her, both knew damn well what would happen if she attacked, what did happen, she turned...
--- Quote ---Consider Nic's statement in it's context. Whatever she might suffer under Hades, had she died anywhere else her fate would would have left her in the hands of the White God for judgement. And that judgement would be irrevocable and final. On the other hand if Nic's plan would grant him the power to challenge Hades at some point he could have Deirdre back.
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Yes, no argument there, but that is my point about not just Deirdre, but Nic being taken in by the Fallen and being used by them... I don't think either of them ever thought that she could be resurrected, that isn't what Nic was thinking... His reassurance to her was her soul wouldn't be tormented and punished for her crimes in Hades to the extent it would be on Judgement Day when all souls will be judged.. I have to go back and read, but I think he assured her that her soul couldn't be touched, thus she'd escape the ultimate punishments. Harry, if I remember correctly sort of bought this up in his visit, but then Hades, himself disabused him of that idea.. It was that truth that Harry tried to use to try and reach Nic about what he had been done... And in fact used....
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---Thank you for the quote and the context, but I don't think it is the same.. Harry sounded conflicted. Here is what I am wondering, was he sending mixed messages to Susan in that moment? Is he so disciplined mentally that he could mentally send a lie while at the same time believing something totally different? I think he sent that message with his doubts but it made no difference to Susan, she attacked anyway in her rage and she too wanted to save her daughter... Her own safety was the last thing she was worried about in that moment... Actually it was kind of dumb really for Harry to even suggest that her armor would protect her, both knew damn well what would happen if she attacked, what did happen, she turned...
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I'm not sure Harry was sending anything but words. There's a part in White Night that shows more clearly how his communication spell works--when he's trying to get in touch with Elaine. If I remember correctly, they could see each other and speak to each other, but I don't think there was any emotional transference (if someone could quote this bit, it would be great. I don't have my books with me).
morriswalters:
Nic says.
--- Quote from: Skin Game ---You will be safe from the Enemy here.
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Followed somewhat later by a strange exchange. With Deirdre saying
--- Quote from: Skin Game ---"I love you, father." Nicodemus's rough voice cracked a little. "I know," he said, very gently. "And that is the problem."
--- End quote ---
Note the capitalization of the word enemy in the first quotation. What is protecting Susan in an enchantment on her skin.
--- Quote from: Changes ---I grasped for the minor magic, fighting to pull it together through the dragging chains of the wills of the Lords of Outer Night, and cast my thought at Susan as clearly as I could. He doesn’t know all of it, I sent to her desperately. He doesn’t know about the enchantment protecting your skin. He only knows about the cloak because he saw you use it when we got here.
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Mira:
--- Quote --- I grasped for the minor magic, fighting to pull it together through the dragging chains of the wills of the Lords of Outer Night, and cast my thought at Susan as clearly as I could. He doesn’t know all of it, I sent to her desperately. He doesn’t know about the enchantment protecting your skin. He only knows about the cloak because he saw you use it when we got here.
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You mean Changes don't you? Susan was dead as of Skin Game.. But rereading it I think it is unclear, I don't think Harry was talking about armor that Susan was wearing, but himself..
A few paragraphs up Harry says on page 415 About the Red King, remember now it was Harry who Lea clothed in armor and he felt silly and refused to wear the helmet..
--- Quote ---He took the knife from my belt, smiling, and moved toward the alter--my daughter.
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Harry becomes desperate.... To me it seems like he wants to attack the Red King, but he knows it is useless.
Then he says, talking to himself. Alternatively trying to get Susan to think as to who knew who Maggie's father was..
Then he says the bit about the knife cannot you, trying to reassure himself, but at the same time knowing damn well that steel will penetrate fae armor.
morriswalters:
Corrected quote attribution.
--- Quote from: Changes ---His knife can’t hurt you, I thought, though I knew damned well that no faerie magic could blithely ignore the touch of steel.
--- End quote ---
Italics indicate Harry thinking at Susan.
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