The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Did Harry lie to Michael, or worse?
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---Much as Harry jumped on helping him implement it out of necessity at the last moment, it was still Martin's plan that Susan should kill him and turn. Harry caught that in the soulgaze with Martin; that why he asked Martin how the Reds found Maggie.
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As I remember it, Harry realized what Martin's plan was after he had independently made the choices that allowed it to work.
Also, I personally think that Martin could not possibly have planned things that specifically, and that his actual plan was just to put Harry in a position where he had to use the bloodline curse on the Reds rather than necessarily that he would manipulate Susan into turning. I feel that if Susan hadn't had Amorrachius, then there would be too much chance of Susan dying/not getting as far, and that Martin couldn't reasonably have planned for her getting Amorrachius.
Mira:
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on February 20, 2019, 03:50:23 AM ---As I remember it, Harry realized what Martin's plan was after he had independently made the choices that allowed it to work.
Also, I personally think that Martin could not possibly have planned things that specifically, and that his actual plan was just to put Harry in a position where he had to use the bloodline curse on the Reds rather than necessarily that he would manipulate Susan into turning. I feel that if Susan hadn't had Amorrachius, then there would be too much chance of Susan dying/not getting as far, and that Martin couldn't reasonably have planned for her getting Amorrachius.
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Martin was a double agent, it was him who planned the kidnapping of little Maggie in the first place..
Martin had calculated this moment for a couple of centuries, he maneuvered both sides to eventually bring them to the moment when Harry reversed the blood curse thus bringing an end to the Reds... The flaw in all of his plans was he underestimated Harry and disregarded Susan.. Harry saw it and it desperation revealed all of Martin's treachery to her, which in turn set her off, to kill Martin, to turn, to be killed by Harry, thus setting off the blood curse.. In a way Martin did achieve his goal, the Red Court had been brought down.
Bad Alias:
Martin probably planned on turning and being the sacrifice.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---Martin probably planned on turning and being the sacrifice.
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This.
Talby16:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on February 20, 2019, 09:03:41 PM ---Martin probably planned on turning and being the sacrifice.
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Precisely. In the beginning he had no way of knowing that the bloodline curse came into play. His goal was most likely to keep the war ongoing and keep the WC involved so that the maximum amount of damage would be done to the Reds. At some point he learned of this plan and thought of how awesome it would be to wipe all the Reds out. I fully agree that his first plan was to turn himself and force Harry to kill him wiping out the Reds. Circumstances made it more feasible to insert Susan in his role.
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