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Did Harry lie to Michael, or worse?
Talby16:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on February 19, 2019, 09:16:57 PM ---I agree with that Harry took the best, perhaps only, overall option. Harry did manipulate Susan. I don't think he needed to.
Susan probably wasn't going to get the chance to watch anyone die. Once Maggie died, Susan would too.
It doesn't matter whether or not we think Harry did a terrible thing at Chichen Itza. Harry does. People who survive accidents that were in no way there fault often feel guilty. Susan died because of Harry, one way or another. (I mean that in a cause and effect sort of way, not morally). He's going to feel guilty and blame himself. That's Harry.
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Excellent post. I completely agree. In the end, however Harry actually remembers the incident or chooses to remember the incident pales in comparison to the guilt he feels about Susan's fate. At that moment, besides that altar, I think he took the only action he could have to save Maggie. After that, he could have let his former love live as a monster or have her death mean something. Despite virtually having no choice with regards to Susan's fate he still feels guilt because that is Harry.
Talby16:
--- Quote from: Mira on February 19, 2019, 10:28:11 PM --- Susan didn't die because of Harry, the seeds of her death were planted way back in Storm Front, long before Harry. She liked to write about the supernatural, expose it, used Harry, though yeah came to love him, to gain fame and fortune in her career... She gave lip service to believing what she saw and experienced but she never paid it enough respect, so like a great many dangerous things it bit her in the ass... Even if she had never met Harry in my opinion Susan was destined to die by some supernatural means or another simply because brave as she was and smart as she was, she was always in over her head.
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--- Quote from: Bad Alias on February 20, 2019, 02:14:34 AM ---If she never got involved with Harry, she may very well never have had the chance to get involved enough with the supernatural to get killed. Or she could have learned about them slow enough to respect the danger. Harry gave her access.
If she hadn't had a child with Harry, she could have continued to fight the Red Court at arms length instead of a direct confrontation.
Susan is at fault for what happened to her in Grave Peril[/i]. She was stupid to ignore Harry saying it was dangerous. The woman who replaced Susan hasn't gotten into any serious trouble in part because Harry keeps her at arms length because of what happened with Susan.
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Susan is a tragic character due to her fate, but I think that her end definitely overshadows the choices she made that put her in that position in the eyes of some readers (as illustrated by the above posts). One of the biggest decisions (that I disagree with) was her choice of where Maggie should grow up. I can see her concerns about the safety around Harry, but she thought the better alternative was a family she personally knew within the Red's sphere of influence. She joined the Fellowship and was an active fighter against the Reds and a known associate of their greatest enemy. She knew that Maggie would be a target because of her parentage and didn't take any more precautions than putting her with friends.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Talby16 on February 21, 2019, 10:11:07 PM ---he still feels guilt because that is Harry.
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Exactly.
--- Quote from: Talby16 on February 21, 2019, 10:19:11 PM ---
Susan is a tragic character due to her fate, but I think that her end definitely overshadows the choices she made that put her in that position in the eyes of some readers (as illustrated by the above posts). One of the biggest decisions (that I disagree with) was her choice of where Maggie should grow up. I can see her concerns about the safety around Harry, but she thought the better alternative was a family she personally knew within the Red's sphere of influence. She joined the Fellowship and was an active fighter against the Reds and a known associate of their greatest enemy. She knew that Maggie would be a target because of her parentage and didn't take any more precautions than putting her with friends.
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I never even thought about that angle.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Susan is a tragic character due to her fate, but I think that her end definitely overshadows the choices she made that put her in that position in the eyes of some readers (as illustrated by the above posts). One of the biggest decisions (that I disagree with) was her choice of where Maggie should grow up. I can see her concerns about the safety around Harry, but she thought the better alternative was a family she personally knew within the Red's sphere of influence. She joined the Fellowship and was an active fighter against the Reds and a known associate of their greatest enemy. She knew that Maggie would be a target because of her parentage and didn't take any more precautions than putting her with friends.
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I don't disagree with that.. However I still stand by what I first said about her being doomed from the start. She could have gotten herself killed whether she had met Harry or not, because she never truly believe in or respected what she was "exposing" to the public.. Like her stealing then forging the invite to the vampire party then showing up with a Bram Stoker anti-vamp kit in her basket... Yeah, they can be effective, but not against a whole den of them or what their agenda was, that is what Harry was trying to tell her.. In short she had no respect for what she was up against..
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Mira on February 21, 2019, 11:02:55 PM ---However I still stand by what I first said about her being doomed from the start.
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That's fair. I just think she was more 50/50 going to die of supernatural causes if Harry had kept her at arms length. Do you think Harry extended her life by several years by putting her in a position to have supernatural powers instead of dying horribly within a few years of Storm Front?
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