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Angelic intervention in Fool Moon
Mira:
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When he was tempted by dark magic in Storm Front, and was on the verge of destroying Sells home but stopped short when his pentacle acted strangely, and he felt a hand holding his, was this also free will and his subconscious?
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I always felt that he felt the unseen spirit of his mother at that point, she after all left the pentacle for him. The pentacle is also the symbol of his magic, all that is good about it, things Eb taught him. So you can take it that the spirit of his mom stopped him, and touching it he remember all the things that Eb taught him about magic, his own belief in what magic stands for. He then made a choice of his own free will, not to use black magic to destroy the house and to kill.
had taught him
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Mira on January 31, 2019, 09:14:57 PM --- I always felt that he felt the unseen spirit of his mother at that point, she after all left the pentacle for him. The pentacle is also the symbol of his magic, all that is good about it, things Eb taught him. So you can take it that the spirit of his mom stopped him, and touching it he remember all the things that Eb taught him about magic, his own belief in what magic stands for. He then made a choice of his own free will, not to use black magic to destroy the house and to kill.
had taught him
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yeah, my theory is the seven words may have done that, given him his free will back. The result was that he removed the belt and was disgusted by what he almost became.
Cozarkian:
--- Quote from: groinkick on January 31, 2019, 06:07:15 AM ---In Changes seven words were used to manipulate Dresden from one of the Fallen. In Ghost Story, Uriel balanced the scales with seven words. In Fool Moon seven words prevented Harry from murdering Denton while in Hexenwolf form.
I felt Denton's pulse beneath my tongue. Felt his whimpers vibrate into my mouth. So easy. One simple motion, and I would never have doubts, fears, questions. Never again. And, something inside of me said in a calm tone, you'll never be Harry Dresden again.
So a voice inside of Harry told him that he'd never be Harry Dresden again, using seven words. Coincidence? Maybe, but still curious to me.
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You could absolutely be right that the same entity whispered those words, but I don't think it was Uriel. In Ghost Story, Uriel inspired the 7 words, but he couldn't have actually been the entity speaking them, because the first word was "Lies." Mab wasn't lying, she was just wrong. She can't lie and Uriel knows that. Thus, for Uriel to say Mab was lying would make him a liar. I don't think he can lie either. That means some other entity must have spoken the actual words as the proxy of Uriel.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---You could absolutely be right that the same entity whispered those words, but I don't think it was Uriel. In Ghost Story, Uriel inspired the 7 words, but he couldn't have actually been the entity speaking them, because the first word was "Lies." Mab wasn't lying, she was just wrong. She can't lie and Uriel knows that. Thus, for Uriel to say Mab was lying would make him a liar. I don't think he can lie either. That means some other entity must have spoken the actual words as the proxy of Uriel.
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Not necessarily. Here is the definition of "lie" I found:
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noun
1.an intentionally false statement.
"the whole thing is a pack of lies"
2.used with reference to a situation involving deception or founded on a mistaken impression.
"all their married life she had been living a lie"
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If the seven words were using the second definition of "lie" then Uriel is in the clear to say them. We have a WoJ that Mab could say that she could change Harry because she believed it to be the case, given her past experience with Winter Knights. Thus, Uriel was just saying that her claim was founded on a mistaken impression, which indeed it was.
Avernite:
--- Quote from: Cozarkian on April 08, 2019, 11:09:31 PM ---You could absolutely be right that the same entity whispered those words, but I don't think it was Uriel. In Ghost Story, Uriel inspired the 7 words, but he couldn't have actually been the entity speaking them, because the first word was "Lies." Mab wasn't lying, she was just wrong. She can't lie and Uriel knows that. Thus, for Uriel to say Mab was lying would make him a liar. I don't think he can lie either. That means some other entity must have spoken the actual words as the proxy of Uriel.
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Why wouldn't Uriel be able to lie? He's the spook, I think he CAN lie, just not in a way that compromises Free Will.
More importantly, he says lies. He doesn't say 'Mab lies' he says 'Mab's words are lies'. A semantic difference, but if Mab is wrong and doesn't know it, you could argue her words are still lies withou Mab lying.
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