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Angelic intervention in Fool Moon

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DonBugen:
Cozarkain - I get the conundrum you're talking about, but I think you might not be giving the idea that Mab's lie is a lie of omission a fair enough shake.  Faeries cannot speak lies; however, they do nothing but lie through omission.

In addition, take into account the comment to which Uriel (because it is Uriel; he's not about to go and rope some lower being into lying for him, especially considering the circumstance with Collin Murphy) responds to:


--- Quote ---"I have his oath, ancient one. What he has given is mine by right and you may not gainsay it. He is mine to shape as i please."
--- End quote ---
She's saying this for Harry to hear, but she's not saying it to Harry.  From the perspective that the quote is being said, it is absolutely true.  Demonreach cannot do anything to stop what she does; she has the right, not Harry, to work her will on him.  The fact that she never says "As long as he doesn't put up an epic amount of will to counteract, which almost no Winter Knight has ever done" doesn't really need to be said, as Mab's statement is truthful to the letter of the word.

Yet Harry's understanding of Mab's words is not truthful.  The Fae are deceitful, manipulative creatures, and Mab's omission here is critical.  And while a lie of omission is permissible to the Fae, it is still a lie to an Archangel of the Lord.  Therefore, Uriel is perfectly correct in stating "Lies," rather than "False" or something else.

Yuillegan:
I think DonBugen and Nadia have pretty much covered what I was going to say in response, Cozarkian.

I can concede that it would have been perhaps neater to say "wrong" rather than "lies", as it leaves less room for ambiguity and I think you can see that Jim in his quote is covering that. Mab only knows what she thinks she knows, but beings like Uriel know absolute Truth. There is a significant difference. And that Mother Summer quote that Morriswalters found reinforces that. Beings with Intellectus (especially of their size of Intellectus) are on the Cosmic level. Also Angels don't lie unless they are Fallen - so even if Uriel wasn't speaking, it couldn't have been another Angel filing in. And it certainly wouldn't have been a Mortal/Soul from Purgatory - I suspect that would go against everything they are trying to do. Lying is a Sin - especially by Immortals (remember how angry Uriel gets when he discusses one of the Fallen lying?) It compromises Free Will.


As to why it was important that JB skipped that scene, I was highlighting that just because something happens explicitly in the books that could be a hint at interference by the Big Players, does not necessarily make it so. Mostly when something of that nature occurs, it happens off-screen or JB highlights it massively on screen. Which is not to say those instances of internal dialogue are not instances of the Big Players interfering, but I found it less likely because of such examples as the Ghost Story/Changes inconsistency.

morriswalters:
Harry to Mab on his sickbed in Demonreach in Ghost Story.
--- Quote ---"You can't make me your monster," I slurred. "Doesn't work.  And you know it."
--- End quote ---

Con:
Back to the intervention of powers in Fool Moon. What does everyone think of Cowl being the wizard that gave the FBI their Hexenwulf pelts. He seems like the most likely suspect to me.

nadia.skylark:

--- Quote ---Harry to Mab on his sickbed in Demonreach in Ghost Story.
--- End quote ---

Harry could be wrong.

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