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kbrizzle:
@Bad Alias
Agreed - my point was just that there are Tier 1 members like Cowl & Tier 2 members like Vito - we see how this plays out in WN. The point of there being 2 organizations is that the Circle is made up of ambitious, power-hungry #2s who are being ‘helped’ by the more ‘woke’ & powerful Black Council.

The reason I think there are 2 different groups is that it makes more sense organizationally for there to be a group of cats paws (the Circle), who do most of the dirty work & have little connection to the Outsiders (like Madeline Raith); & an organization of believers/ supporters/ Nfected beings who do have a connection to the Outside & are significantly powerful, but not powerful enough to bend the world to their will (like Cowl). There is an odd symmetry to it.

Harry is somewhere in the middle in terms of power level. At this point I don’t think any individual member of the Circle can take him in a straight fight, although I think he would narrowly lose against any individual member of the BC.

morriswalters:

--- Quote from: Bad Alias on May 27, 2019, 07:26:21 PM --- And why would any of them go up against another in a "fair" fight? An ambush is the way to go. Kill them before they get they notice there is any danger.

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--- Quote from: John Steinbeck ---“If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.”
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:)

Bad Alias:
@kbrizzle: There are definitely different levels of bad guys. In White Night, it appears that Cowl is in the Circle with Vito maybe being a junior member and Madrigal as an aspiring member. It also appears that Madrigal wasn't going to be long for this world no matter how successful the mission turned out.

@Morris: I'm fairly certain that John Steinbeck never said that.
--- Quote ---Slang sense of "be contemptible" first attested 1971 (the underlying notion is of fellatio). Related: Sucked; sucking. Suck eggs is from 1906. Suck hind tit "be inferior" is American English slang first recorded 1940.
--- End quote ---
https://www.etymonline.com/word/suck. Also, I kinda hate Steinbeck.

morriswalters:
I managed to get through school and not read anything he wrote. If you don't like it there are variations attributed to others. :)

Bad Alias:
"Suck" just didn't seem very "Steinbeck" to me. It also seemed like a modern expression to me. It's been around longer than I have, so who am I to say?

I tried tracking down the source, but I only got of bunch of gun culture stuff that lead me to believe he definitely didn't say it.

You should consider yourself lucky. I ended up having to read one of his books twice.

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