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Bad Alias:
So we all know that there is some conspiracy (or conspiracies) going on behind the scenes that has (or have) caused most, if not all, of Harry's major troubles. The first name we get is the Black Council from Harry because mortal practitioners are involved. Then we hear about a Circle in White Night and Changes. In White Night, it is some organization the Malvora and Madrigal Raith are working for, are aware of, and Cowl is the contact for. I find it unclear as to whether the Malvora is "in" the Circle or just an agent of it. In Changes, it is mentioned by the Eebs, but they might just be referring to the Lords of Outer Night.

I think of the Black Council as an organization made up of mortal practitioners, mostly current or former members of the White Council, separate from the Circle. I think of the Circle is an organization with representatives from various supernatural groups with some unknown mutual aims and a lot of backstabbing. The leadership of some supernatural groups are entirely aware of the Circle and part of it. I think the Black Council is one of those groups. Only factions of some groups are aware and represented. The White Council, through the Black Council, would be an example here.

Alternatively, the Black Council and the Circle could be the exact same thing. Either a group of wizards calling themselves the Circle, or a larger supernatural conspiracy that Dresden simply thought was made up of just wizards.

We've got a pretty clear picture of what Nemesis is, if not how it works. It's an Outsider secret agent/sapper/infiltrator.

I think Nemesis influences the Circle but does not control it. It almost certainly controls some of the members of every major supernatural group, including the Circle.

I also think the Circle has only thirteen members for the reasons stated in Storm Front. Additionally, there were thirteen Lords of Outer Night, perhaps for the same reason.

Alternatively, everything is either Nemesis or it's catspaws.

Thoughts?

wardenferry419:
 On the TV show X-Files, the Smoking Man and his group were both openly working with the aliens as a sort of "vichy government" and secretly working against the aliens and their invasion plans. I can see the Circle or Harry's Black Council as being in a similar position with the Outsiders.
As for Nemesis, he/she/it seems to be stirring the waters of discontent among the various supernatural groups so that they do not become a unified front.

morriswalters:

--- Quote ---I think of the Black Council as an organization made up of mortal practitioners, mostly current or former members of the White Council, separate from the Circle. I think of the Circle is an organization with representatives from various supernatural groups with some unknown mutual aims and a lot of backstabbing. The leadership of some supernatural groups are entirely aware of the Circle and part of it. I think the Black Council is one of those groups. Only factions of some groups are aware and represented. The White Council, through the Black Council, would be an example here.
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This is a good, concise narrative that fits what few facts we have.  And wardenferry419's call out on the Vichy government makes a certain amount of sense.  If Cowls purpose in Dead Beat was to gain power and to defeat death, his actions read differently if by death you mean the Adversary.

Odd side issue, did anybody notice that both Ramirez and Kumori use gloves with their magic?  Who was Ramirez's teacher?

wardenferry419:
Someone that was at the big meeting in SK because Ramirez was the apprentice that laughed.

Snark Knight:

--- Quote from: morriswalters on January 28, 2019, 11:55:45 PM ---This is a good, concise narrative that fits what few facts we have.  And wardenferry419's call out on the Vichy government makes a certain amount of sense.  If Cowls purpose in Dead Beat was to gain power and to defeat death, his actions read differently if by death you mean the Adversary.

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I'm still not convinced the objective of ending death was ever anything more to him than a useful lie. Kumori's got a bit of a screw loose on that particular topic, so acting like that's what he wants the power of the Darkhallow for keeps her loyal and helpful. He sure as hell didn't intend on immortality for everyone, even if he might have granted it to a few.

Though now that you bring up the comparison between death and the Adversary, it does have some interesting resonance to Lea looking back on having been arrogant to think she could take the infected knife and defeat "that which stalks us all"...

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