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Black Council/The Circle/Nemesis

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Yuillegan:

--- Quote from: Bad Alias on January 29, 2019, 07:16:08 PM ---@Yuillegan: Molly definitely conflates the Black Council with Nemesis while Harry is talking in Cold Days. Harry just goes with it because of all the reasons one isn't supposed to go around talking about Nemesis. Regardless of what's actually going on, the term Black Council to describe members of the White Council working in opposition to it is useful, even if every single one of them is infected.

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Not quite, you have it in reverse - in the actual passage he allow Molly to assume that the Black Council is merely Wizards rather than something far larger and more problematic.

(click to show/hide)"Black Council,” Molly whispered. “Exactly,” I said, which it wasn’t. Up until earlier today, I had known someone was covertly causing the world a lot of grief—and due to their connections with some grim events within the White Council I had assumed it was a group of wizards, which was both naturally arrogant and extremely nearsighted of me. But what if I’d been wrong? What if the Black Council was just one more offshoot of one enormous, intangible enemy? If what I’d gotten from Lily was accurate, the problem was a hell of a lot bigger than I had realized. And I did not want that problem to know that I had spotted it. That passage is from Cold Days - Chapter 28.

What he is realising in that moment is that it is far more likely that the Enemy he faces is in far more organisations, perhaps most if not all organisations, and represents a far more formidable and difficult threat. Even though later we understand that Lily was being manipulated, most of her information was sound. I think this passage also helps clear up that not everything that is working for/with the Adversary is necessarily infected. Many are supporters and cat's paws of the really bad guys (which may include Nemesis) - possibly a mixture of the weak seeking strength, the resentful seeking a return to glory, the scared looking for protection and the evil looking for more refined and terrible forms of cruelty and destruction.

Bad Alias:

--- Quote ---"Black Council,” Molly whispered. “Exactly,” I said, which it wasn’t. ... And I did not want that problem to know that I had spotted it.
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What I meant was that I couldn't remember what Harry's thinking on it was, but that Molly definitely fingered the Black Council for Nemesis and Harry agreed because he didn't want to show his cards, etc. Molly conflated the Black Council and Nemesis because she doesn't know Nemesis exists but does know the Black Council exists. She is at least half right because the Outsiders require mortal practitioners to let them in, and they used mortal practitioners in the attack on Demonreach.

Basically, what I was saying is that I didn't recall when/how Harry made connections from the Black Council to Nemesis, but Molly definitely made the wrong connection and Harry said yes even though he new the real answer was no in that scene from Cold Days. I don't think he realized it in that scene or had an epiphany. I think he realized it when Lily held his hand (figuratively) and walked him through it.

Note: When I use the term Black Council, I am referring to a group of current and/or former White Council wizards (and maybe lesser mortal practitioners) who are working against the White Council unless otherwise stated.

Salusen:

--- Quote from: Bad Alias on January 29, 2019, 09:30:39 PM ---I'm fairly certain that the knife was the Spear of Destiny and not anything else in addition to that. (The Holy Lance, also known as the Lance of Longinus (named after Saint Longinus), the Spear of Destiny, or the Holy Spear, according to the Gospel of John, is the lance that pierced the side of Jesus as he hung on the cross). - the great wiki. It can't be the athame Lea got because Amoracchius is the athame's equivalent. The items from Hades' vault had the same power, but much more of it than the Swords.

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Oh okay, I see. Yeah I checked out that part in the books. But couldn't we also argue that since athame generally means a ceremonial blade used for spells and etc., the Spear of Destiny used to pierce Jesus' side was one? Like a holier version of the usual athames throughout history? From what I know, just about any blade can become an athame. Or the Athame.

Lea did say the Athame's value lay in whom it once belonged to.


Or am I just foaming at the mouth here? Hahahah.  ;D

morriswalters:
Morgan le Fay.  Otherwise known as Morgana. 

Salusen:
Hnh, yeah.

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