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thoughts on winning the war with the Outsiders

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backseat_adventurer:

--- Quote from: Sanctaphrax on March 13, 2019, 09:59:06 AM ---Forum being as quiet as it is, there's no need to worry about necromancy.
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Good to know I don't have to award myself the Lawbreaker power ;)


--- Quote ---One way or another, I think the setting's gonna be made unrecognisable. Jim has talked many times about the "big apocalyptic trilogy" at the end of the series, after all.
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Yeah, I figured that because it couldn't be true to Harry's character if he didn't upend it all.  I confess to still hoping. 


--- Quote ---That aside, the Outside seems to be outside (no pun intended) the normal balance-of-power considerations. It's just plain bad. It's shown no redeeming qualities, and Outsiders seem inhuman enough that totally eradicating them wouldn't be particularly similar to genocide. So if I were a Dresdenverse mortal, I'd definitely want it gone.
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Outsiders do seem to tamper with the status quo, particularly with their power to allow creatures to act outside of their natures (no pun intended there, either).  That said, I've often thought that the Laws of Magic and the general state of the Dresdenverse felt like the product of diplomatic negotiations where nobody gets what they really want.  So, the Powers That Be (God maybe?) played the long game with the Outside, using pawns.

Why didn't the PTB do better to protect the world?  Maybe because of the importance of mortal free will, and being unable to act against their own nature to preserve this?  Bah, lots of conjecture but fun to consider.

The bit about supernatural genocide was more about the aftermath of a world where the Gates are permanently closed.  Perhaps the supernaturals get killed in the final battle, or perhaps they fall to infighting.  So, more like the Fae and Old Gods rather than Outsiders.  Sorry for any confusion.

whitelaughter:

--- Quote from: backseat_adventurer on March 02, 2019, 10:33:07 PM ---To be honest, I'm not sure if the war with the Outside is one we want to see won.  By 'we' To be honest, if the Outside is permanently barred from the world forevermore, we'd better hope the Faerie Courts and the bulk of the supernatural nasties get squashed in the process.  Otherwise... well, where is Mab going to get her kicks?   

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Yes, this something that interests me.

Winter exists to protect 'us' from the Outside, Summer to protect us from Winter. If Winter is no longer tied down by the need to fight the Outside, then Summer is utterly outclassed....

....unless they merge with humanity. Modern human armies, equipped with the latest tech and protected by Seelie spells, would be sufficient to maintain the balance of power with the Unseelie - and see off most other threats.

It would also, from the moral framework of the books, be *good*.  Freedom is meaningless without choices; it would increase free will if all children began as changelings and could then chose whether to be mortal, fae, or remain as changelings.
Such a society would also have a religious renaissance; anybody with supernatural abilities could easily detect whether the local pastor has Bless This House - so only the truly faithful would be listened to. It wouldn't be difficult to design an audible illusion that 'bleeped' anyone speaking, but set to a level so that the faithful suppressed the spell, allowing them to preach.

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