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Re-interpreting the events of Small Favor

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Bad Alias:

--- Quote from: Avernite on November 28, 2018, 09:24:03 PM ---As Harry and Uriel did indeed discuss, Uriel took a longer view. Nic proved penny-wise pound-foolish in his breach of the Rules.

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Satan, Lucifer himself, proved penny-wise pound-foolish in his breach of the Rules. It was Lucifer who fueled the "Signs" that were used to capture Marcone and Ivy.

morriswalters:

--- Quote ---In the unlikely even that Mab doesn't get Harry involved in this mess, Nick still gets Marcone (small win, but he'll take it)

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--- Quote ---I croaked, “Titania wants Marcone dead?”
“Put simply,” she replied. “And her Emissary will continue to seek your death. Only by finding and saving the Baron’s life will you preserve your own.”
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It seems pretty clear.  Which is not to say that Nic didn't have his own agenda, but apparently Marcone's destination was a slab. The only reason he didn't die at his safe house was that Summer wanted the time to pot shoot at Harry.  And since Marcone has never run up against Titania there only seems to be one possible reason she would want him dead.

Avernite:

--- Quote from: Arjan on November 28, 2018, 10:31:39 PM ---But he was not thinking about soulfire Harry, he was still counting on denarian Harry. Nicodemus strategy was based on it and it nearly got him killed.

Correcting autocorrupt,

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Sure, he didn't think specifically 'Uriel will respond by giving Harry something which I cannot counter' but he still gave Uriel the chance to intervene in a major way. I am not sure what equivalents Uriel could have deployed instead to compensate if Harry was still vulnerable to Lash's shadow, but probably quite serious too.

So to go over the below (not sure how multi-quote works here):


--- Quote ---In the unlikely even that Mab doesn't get Harry involved in this mess, Nick still gets Marcone (small win, but he'll take it)
In the far more probable event that Harry gets dragged in, Ivy will get pulled along as a Neutral Arbiter and he can grab her (His actual Goal)
And ff possible, he can drag Harry onto his side (His Bonus Goal)
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In the unlikely event that Mab doesn't get Harry involved in this mess, Uriel still gets to smack down hard in exchange for at best getting Marcone (high risk low reward).
In the far more probable event, he expects to get Ivy in too (His actual goal, but still risky because Uriel still gets to strike back - high risk, high reward, included Harry bonus goal).

kbrizzle:
I disagree with a couple of assumptions in this thread:

* How are we so sure that by giving the Archive a Coin, Nic would be able to subvert the Archive’s nature? The coin would only affect the human Ivy, not the limitations put by the magic of the Archive. Not to mention that the millennia of knowledge & personalities inhabiting the Archive would be able to deal with the Shadow more effectively than Harry. This is why Nemesis is so powerful - it is able to subvert such limitations. Now I suspect that whatever Coin Ivy would have received would be Nfected (unbeknown to Nic)
* How are we so sure that Harry got Soulfire as a result of the attack on Marcone? I’d always read it as Harry got Soulfire for successfully refusing Lash’s offer for 3-4 years - it was a reward for not Falling to temptation.

Arjan:
Uriel can not just hand out rewards l, that would be against the rules. The opposition breaking the rules made it possible for Uriel to do something compensating. Resisting Lasciel made Harry a proper target for Uriels action.

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