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Re-interpreting the events of Small Favor
Avernite:
--- Quote from: toodeep on November 27, 2018, 03:15:32 PM ---Keep in mind that Nic didn't break the accords until he kidnapped the neutral arbiter (i.e. the Archive). He had a two step plan.
1. Take marcone. valuable in his own right and doesn't negatively impact Nic
2. If, and only if, the archive is invoked, then break the accords to get the Archive. This would have been worth it, in his opinion. Keep in mind, he thought he had Lasciel as a hole card corrupting Harry. We now also know that taking the Archive wouldn't just have gotten him all the knowledge of the archive, but also the true ventori who fight the oblivion war at the Archives direction. He would have been able to give them orders they would have believed would be necessary for the oblivion war, but that really could have just served his own ends.
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He didn't break the Accords, but he already invoked Lucifer thereby breaking the Rules. To me it seems that Nic and Anduriel would find the Rules (eternally bound up in the conflict of Heaven and Hell) much mor important than the Accords (ephemereal product of the current strength of Mab and the other rules-lawyering parts of the supernatural community).
forumghost:
Breaking those rules has different (and less immediately dangerous) consequences to breaking the accords.
Loosey Goose giving them a supply of Hellfire only lets Mr Sunshine give a supply of Soulfire to someone in response- which is not something that has a great deal of impact on the Denarians really.
Heck the only thing Harry does with it in that book is beat up Namshiel, which had very limited effect all told, seeing as how Nick got the Archive anyway.
Avernite:
--- Quote from: forumghost on November 28, 2018, 08:55:10 PM ---Breaking those rules has different (and less immediately dangerous) consequences to breaking the accords.
Loosey Goose giving them a supply of Hellfire only lets Mr Sunshine give a supply of Soulfire to someone in response- which is not something that has a great deal of impact on the Denarians really.
Heck the only thing Harry does with it in that book is beat up Namshiel, which had very limited effect all told, seeing as how Nick got the Archive anyway.
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As Harry and Uriel did indeed discuss, Uriel took a longer view. Nic proved penny-wise pound-foolish in his breach of the Rules. Which is unlike him, given he plays the long game.
So what I suggest is the Archive was always the target. Trading Harry-with-Soulfire for Archive-Denarian is a good long-term deal. Trading Harry-with-Soulfire for Marcone-Denarian is a poor trade.
Arjan:
But he was not thinking about soulfire Harry, he was still counting on denarian Harry. Nicodemus strategy was based on it and it nearly got him killed.
Correcting autocorrupt,
forumghost:
Exactly, it's hardly fair to discount Nick not knowing that Harry would do what nobody has ever done before and corrupt the shadow of a fallen angel instead of the other way around.
You need to remember that Nick doesn't really go for a single objective. He's smarter then that. Instead he has a 'main objective', a 'good enough' and a/several 'bonus points'
Nicks plan was to target Marcone because he was vulnerable, but also important enough that he knew Mab would need to respond. So:
In the unlikely even that Mab doesn't get Harry involved in this mess, Nick still gets Marcone (small win, but he'll take it)
In the far more probable event that Harry gets dragged in, Ivy will get pulled along as a Neutral Arbiter and he can grab her (His actual Goal)
And ff possible, he can drag Harry onto his side (His Bonus Goal)
Things only went wrong for him because:
A) He got greedy and overextended when Harry threw Fid on the table.
B) He didn't expect that Harry would have found a way around his safety net by turning Lash on her Creator (and subsequently dying).
To Compare, look at Skin Game:
Nicks 'Small Win' was to grab the Grail (Which he did)
His 'Big Win' was the other Artifacts (Which he missed on)
And his Bonus objectives were Harry Dying and Destroying the Swords.
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