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Who are the members of the Grey Council?
morriswalters:
Or Cowl is Langtry and the purpose of the Bloodline curse was to kill Ebeneezer and Harry. Leaving him free to use the Dark Hallow to become a god at which point, the Reds would have been toast and the White Council would become neutered. The Black Council then becomes the new White Council. With Langtry as God King. Improbable but fun to think about. I assume JB will reveal the plot eventually.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Avernite on September 16, 2018, 11:50:20 AM ---It is a bit of a conundrum; the known White Council could never have won the war with the Reds in the way the Merlin hinted, and the known White Council could not arrange things so that Harry had his opportunity.
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Langtry might have been planning to use some other supernatural WMD, but Ariana beat him to the punch with the bioweapon than disabled most of the Edinburgh complex during Changes.
--- Quote from: groinkick on September 16, 2018, 03:00:34 AM ---Maybe? Up to this point I don't think he's had Harry do anything though.
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Well, there was the "try to clear Morgan, but you're on your own if you can't bring in hard evidence" bit. But Harry sort of put himself forward for that anyway.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on September 16, 2018, 03:19:04 PM ---Or Cowl is Langtry and the purpose of the Bloodline curse was to kill Ebeneezer and Harry. Leaving him free to use the Dark Hallow to become a god at which point, the Reds would have been toast and the White Council would become neutered. The Black Council then becomes the new White Council. With Langtry as God King. Improbable but fun to think about. I assume JB will reveal the plot eventually.
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The scene where Cowl and Harry fought outside Bock's over the Erlking book is pretty important to evaluating the Cowl-as-Langtry theory. Specifically, where Cowl says he was curious to see how Harry actually stacked up in a fight, and what the Wardens were so nervous about. It could work - Langtry would certainly have access to the Warden files on Harry, but hasn't seen him directly do much.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Snark Knight on September 16, 2018, 04:07:17 PM ---The scene where Cowl and Harry fought outside Bock's over the Erlking book is pretty important to evaluating the Cowl-as-Langtry theory. Specifically, where Cowl says he was curious to see how Harry actually stacked up in a fight, and what the Wardens were so nervous about. It could work - Langtry would certainly have access to the Warden files on Harry, but hasn't seen him directly do much.
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Yeah but Jim said that anyone on the Council would mop the floor with Harry. Langtry also appears to be very good at mind magic... I think he'd have assaulted Harry's mind to test him rather using kinetic force.
Yuillegan:
--- Quote from: groinkick on September 16, 2018, 07:09:32 PM ---Yeah but Jim said that anyone on the Council would mop the floor with Harry. Langtry also appears to be very good at mind magic... I think he'd have assaulted Harry's mind to test him rather using kinetic force.
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I specifically believe he was referring to Senior Council at that time. Of the thousand plus wizard in sheer might, even before he became the Winter Knight, Harry always saw himself in the top 30-40 strongest. Which is not to say most capable fighters or most powerful wizards. Even though I suspect he has had a pretty meteoric rise in combat ability over the series. Jim has even gone back and said not every wizard, not even most wizards are suited to combat. That was why there was only 200 wardens in a thousand plus group. And of the senior council only Simon (dead), Eb (who replaced him, and is also the Blackstaff and was captain of the wardens), Langtry (the Merlin), Rashid (the Gatekeeper), Listens-to-Wind and Cristos are fighters and skilled in Evocation. Martha Liberty, Aleron Lafortier (dead), Ancient Mai are all considered to have talents that do not lend themselves to direct combat. Though I acknowledge Liberty is an unknown quantity here, all we really know is she is good at veils.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on September 16, 2018, 09:06:07 PM ---I specifically believe he was referring to Senior Council at that time.
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Yeah that's what I meant. Harry would trash most wizards. It's just the few at the very top that would crush him. Harry is a top level player but what he lacks is experience. They have centuries on him in that department. Harry is like in his 40's? I think that if he were say 90 - 100 he'd be able to probably take any of them.
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