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Who are the members of the Grey Council?
Mira:
--- Quote from: groinkick on September 15, 2018, 08:56:10 PM ---I disagree with the Merlin being on the Grey Council because I think he has such devout faith in the White Council that to even suggest such a thing would be blasphemy, and anyone involved get their head's shopped off.
Also Jim has said that there are those on the White Council who are afraid of Harry, and even considered having him killed... But being a Knight of Mab makes them afraid to do so. Merlin I believe is one of those people that see's Harry as a violator of the Laws of magic, defiant towards the Council, arrogant, unpredictable, violent, immature, and powerful enough to do real damage.
I don't think that he hates Harry, but I think he see's the potential for him to be another kemmler, and having witnessed the destruction first hand is concerned about him. Harry being part of some sort of shadow council would only validate his fears.
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The Merlin sees Harry as a useful tool, kind of a "mission impossible" type person... More so than even Eb, who is more of a "James Bond." I mean Eb has license to kill, but because of his rep, the Merlin can disavow Harry if he sends him off to do whatever for him and it goes wrong..
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 16, 2018, 01:24:54 AM ---The Merlin sees Harry as a useful tool, kind of a "mission impossible" type person... More so than even Eb, who is more of a "James Bond." I mean Eb has license to kill, but because of his rep, the Merlin can disavow Harry if he sends him off to do whatever for him and it goes wrong..
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Maybe? Up to this point I don't think he's had Harry do anything though.
peregrine:
The theory is that by flat out telling Harry not to do something, what he really wanted was for Harry to do that exact opposite thing.
And possibly that when he was talking about having a plan to kill the Red Court root and branch, what that plan was "Just assume you'll eradicate them somehow, entirely on your own." Though that second part is a less common theory.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: peregrine on September 16, 2018, 04:09:29 AM ---The theory is that by flat out telling Harry not to do something, what he really wanted was for Harry to do that exact opposite thing.
And possibly that when he was talking about having a plan to kill the Red Court root and branch, what that plan was "Just assume you'll eradicate them somehow, entirely on your own." Though that second part is a less common theory.
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Well.... If Merlin and the others did plan to destroy the Red Court as described... It means that they were able to manipulate the Red Court into setting up the Blood line curse, made sure it was Harry's daughter taken, and pointed Harry in the direction.
This does make some sense when I think about it but it means the Council set Harry up by making sure the Reds got his daughter, and had the idea of a Bloodline curse, and the Council is complicit in the sacrificial deaths of thousands. If Harry finds out there's going to be some hell to pay. It also means that those responsible are real chess masters... Sounds more like Odin, or Mab or possibly the Mothers. I could see someone like Merlin having access to them considering his power, and position.
Avernite:
--- Quote from: groinkick on September 16, 2018, 04:49:40 AM ---Well.... If Merlin and the others did plan to destroy the Red Court as described... It means that they were able to manipulate the Red Court into setting up the Blood line curse, made sure it was Harry's daughter taken, and pointed Harry in the direction.
This does make some sense when I think about it but it means the Council set Harry up by making sure the Reds got his daughter, and had the idea of a Bloodline curse, and the Council is complicit in the sacrificial deaths of thousands. If Harry finds out there's going to be some hell to pay. It also means that those responsible are real chess masters... Sounds more like Odin, or Mab or possibly the Mothers. I could see someone like Merlin having access to them considering his power, and position.
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It is a bit of a conundrum; the known White Council could never have won the war with the Reds in the way the Merlin hinted, and the known White Council could not arrange things so that Harry had his opportunity. So either the Merlin was lying through his teeth (he ain't Fae, so who knows), or there are unknown depths to his power and influence.
Though IF he was behind the plotting, I think it far more likely he traded in favours. 'Dear Odin, dear Mab, remember you owe me for XYZ? If you can set it up so there's a weapon primed to wipe out the Red Court I will consider that debt forgiven'. But then in more fluttery diplomatic language. Never mind that in that case, the Merlin obviously didn't want Harry pulling it off.
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