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Who are the members of the Grey Council?

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Ananda:

--- Quote from: peregrine on September 14, 2018, 07:59:09 PM ---The Merlin being a member would require things such that literally everything we've ever heard anyone say about it would be a lie.  And while Harry might not know everyone, Eb probably does, because someone's got to be able to organize things, and he's said jackall when the subject came up.

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Well, it is my opinion, after all. Also, it would not require “literally” everything we’ve heard about the merlin to be a “lie.”  I heard he was the merlin. I also heard he was a man. I also heard, et cetera. Apply some of that expertise on idioms you have and you will quickly find that 1: you actually know very little about the man and, b: it’s a first person pov story where the narrator is unreliable, prone to personal bias, and knows very little of the larger picture by necessity for the story surprises to work.

Also, no one ever said Eb was the leader, if I remember correctly. He said that he and a few people he trusts are doing something. Even if he were a defacto leader, this doesn’t negate the possibility of the merlin being a string puller, covert member, or open member. The only thing we actually know is that Dresden doesn’t know who most of them are. That said, it’s still, like, my opinion, man (big lebowski reference). I don’t feel strongly about it.

zetadog:
they should all be wizards or scions that are hundreds of years old.

raidem:
I think Bigfoot is a member too.

Strength of a River in His Shoulders.
I like Steed as being a member.  His forte is time magic and Vadderung is a member so I think it might be likely that Vadderung is looking over his shoulder.  Steed also wouldn't be defending a gate at Edinburgh by himself if he didn't have serious warden skills himself.

I sorta like the idea that the Merlin isn't a member of the Grey Council.  He had his plan to take out the Reds and it failed, but somewhat sorta relied on antagonizing Harry just in case his plans failed.  I think the Merlin knows what Harry is (a destroyer) and reckons that if his plans fails at least Harry will destroy something.  So, I can see Merlin using Harry as his Ace even if Merlin isn't all that much of a participant in, or knowledgeable of the plan.

peregrine:

--- Quote from: Ananda on September 15, 2018, 09:39:14 AM ---Well, it is my opinion, after all. Also, it would not require “literally” everything we’ve heard about the merlin to be a “lie.”  I heard he was the merlin. I also heard he was a man. I also heard, et cetera. Apply some of that expertise on idioms you have and you will quickly find that 1: you actually know very little about the man and, b: it’s a first person pov story where the narrator is unreliable, prone to personal bias, and knows very little of the larger picture by necessity for the story surprises to work.

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Luckily, I didn't actually say it would require everything we heard about the Merlin to be a lie.  I said everything we heard anyone say about it being a lie, "It" in this case being the subject of the Merlin and the Grey Council.  Which is universally that he'd disapprove, with zero mention of his support of the existence of one.

groinkick:
I disagree with the Merlin being on the Grey Council because I think he has such devout faith in the White Council that to even suggest such a thing would be blasphemy, and anyone involved get their head's chopped off.

Also Jim has said that there are those on the White Council who are afraid of Harry, and even considered having him killed... But being a Knight of Mab makes them afraid to do so.  Merlin I believe is one of those people that see's Harry as a violator of the Laws of magic, defiant towards the Council, arrogant, unpredictable, violent, immature, and powerful enough to do real damage.

I don't think that he hates Harry, but I think he see's the potential for him to be another kemmler, and having witnessed the destruction first hand is concerned about him.  Harry being part of some sort of shadow council would only validate his fears.

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