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Who are the members of the Grey Council?

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Con:
WOJ is that Harry is to Morgan what Morgan is to Ebenezar. So Ebenezar is three times more powerful and experience then Harry.

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Harry does not have Morgan's experience or expertise in a fight.  It doesn't mean that Harry isn't also an effective and dangerous opponent, but he has a completely different approach--and he generally has a lot more to learn, still, before he is as formidable as someone like Morgan.

Granted, Ebenezar makes /Morgan/ look like Harry.  But hey. :)  There's always someone bigger or better than you, right?[/quote]

peregrine:
Keep in mind that Harry is one of the most powerful wizards.

But Rashid is the most dangerous wizard on the Senior Council, but not the most powerful.  Harry may have more raw power than them, but not necessarily be able to take them out.  Like Groinkick says, experience and skill still count for a lot.  So while he may have more juice than Ancient Mai, or LtW, or whatever, that doesn't mean he can beat them.

phi1601:
An interesting one is Montjoy. He was mentioned in Summer Knight as one of the candidates for Senior Council nominations but was unavailable because he was "on a research trip in the Yucatán," according to Martha Liberty.

The reason I find this interesting is because:
1. He's strong (or old) enough to be considered for a senior council position. So he potentially has the power level for Grey Council.
2. Martha Liberty was the one who knew where he was. She's an ally of Eb so I'd say that puts Montjoy in the Eb/Martha/Indunjoe faction.
3. He was in the Yucatan. Know what else is in Yucatan? Chichen Itza. Sounds like he was doing some research into the red court.

If he is in the Grey council, I don't know that being named in passing a single time in the series is enough to be considered by Jim in the list of 6 that we "already know".

So he might be one of 4 we haven't met instead.

groinkick:

--- Quote from: Avernite on September 16, 2018, 11:50:20 AM ---It is a bit of a conundrum; the known White Council could never have won the war with the Reds in the way the Merlin hinted

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I wouldn't be so sure.  In a video someone said words to that effect and Jim said "The White Council has never lost, which is why they are still around" or something like that.

I think the Council could do what is described.  They could do a curse just like the Reds were planning.  However instead of powering it via human sacrifice my guess is the Council would subdue some powerful thing, Dragon, Deity, ect to power the curse.  The reason they didn't do it right away is because there is obviously going to be some sort of backlash that will happen from doing such a thing.

Mira:

--- Quote from: peregrine on September 16, 2018, 04:09:29 AM ---The theory is that by flat out telling Harry not to do something, what he really wanted was for Harry to do that exact opposite thing.

And possibly that when he was talking about having a plan to kill the Red Court root and branch, what that plan was "Just assume you'll eradicate them somehow, entirely on your own."  Though that second part is a less common theory.

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Exactly and if he failed,  the Merlin would say he never suggested anything like that to Harry, least a new war between the Red Court and the White Council start all over again... Very "Mission Impossible." 

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