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Marcone altered the time line?
Wizard Sibelis:
The time travel was Kumori, When she save the guy on Whacker she attracted his attention which he focused on Dresden as the solution, ergo saving him with the free will he possessed without violating it in time travel, The indirect fate effect described by Bob for the car.
I know, I know, "but she saved a guy who was going to die!" No.... Future Molly used the same Rag Lady illusion to cause the shoot out death she then saved the guy from, also preserving the momentum behind the original act in her timeline, reviving Harry via necromancy. A guy was brought back via necromancy, just not the same guy.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on August 04, 2018, 07:56:34 PM ---It's because the knowledge to intervene came from Gard -- a person whose powers are in tune with Fate.
Harry wasn't just going to die. He was fated to die there and then.
--- End quote ---
Ok then you're agreeing with part of what I said: Harry was supposed to die, and they somehow intervened in a way that they should not have. This means they used future knowledge
Gard knew he was supposed to die, Marcone was made aware, Dresden was saved, time line altered.
Makes me wonder if Odin wanted her to tell Marcone because he knows Marcone's character and that he would save Dresden. A chess move that Odin himself couldn't get directly involved but none the less was able to intervene.
Arjan:
It is just a point of view. Uriel would have applauded Marcones action, it was a mortal exercising his free will in an important way that changed the stream of time, most people don’t do so as Uriel stated in the warrior.
But Gard represents a different way of looking at things. For her fate is important and it usually leads to problems if you change it, there is a price to pay.
Both views are right but because we identify with Harry we usually only get the first view.
exartiem:
A powerful entity (possibly Odin) had decided to kill Harry and arranged by some mean for it to happen in that alley. This is what the Fates or the Norns, whichever Gard gets her info from, detected. Whether Marcone knew or not, his dicision to save Harry defied a powerful entity. Now Marcone has drawn the attention of this entity and there will be consequences from that attention.
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: groinkick on August 05, 2018, 05:31:51 AM ---Ok then you're agreeing with part of what I said: Harry was supposed to die, and they somehow intervened in a way that they should not have. This means they used future knowledge
Gard knew he was supposed to die, Marcone was made aware, Dresden was saved, time line altered.
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Yeah, that's what I was saying in the first post. I was only saying there wasn't time travel, specifically.
--- Quote ---Makes me wonder if Odin wanted her to tell Marcone because he knows Marcone's character and that he would save Dresden. A chess move that Odin himself couldn't get directly involved but none the less was able to intervene.
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I feel like if Odin gave her orders to do so, she wouldn't have been telling Marcone it was a bad idea.
I more got the sense that Marcone was looking for Dresden, and she answered to the tune of, "I know where he will be, but..."
--- Quote from: exartiem on August 05, 2018, 11:36:09 AM ---A powerful entity (possibly Odin) had decided to kill Harry and arranged by some mean for it to happen in that alley. This is what the Fates or the Norns, whichever Gard gets her info from, detected. Whether Marcone knew or not, his dicision to save Harry defied a powerful entity. Now Marcone has drawn the attention of this entity and there will be consequences from that attention.
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I doubt it was Odin; he seems to like Harry.
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