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Is it possible to kill a WC Hunger Demon?
Quantus:
To the OP: We know that they can be killed by the host experiencing True Love (or the equivalent dietary Bane), but only prior to the first feeding and it was implied that the hunger became too strong after that. We also know per WOJ that the Hunger of a fetus is perfectly capable of feeding off the mother to survive. Those two things make me think that a mature Hunger would simply take the Host down with it, exerting more animalistic control (as we saw with Thomas in TC) until both starved to death, or rather the hunger would drain the host to death and die with it.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Wizard Sibelis on July 24, 2018, 03:45:51 PM ---A. Black court is probably the youngest. B. Phage means, roughly eater, Remember the Phobophages? Phages is generic... and not even denotive of vampires as we know them in the DF directly.
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I'm ok with that. But why do you think the Blacks are the youngest?
Wizard Sibelis:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on July 25, 2018, 12:08:32 AM ---I'm ok with that. But why do you think the Blacks are the youngest?
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Cause 1400's is, iirc when was wojed Drac became the first one.
vultur:
--- Quote from: Wizard Sibelis on July 20, 2018, 09:10:02 AM ---We can't prove it to be an either Or methodology.
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Well, I guess it's just maybe imaginable that Rampires could reproduce their own kind biologically... but there's no evidence for it, and it doesn't seem to fit with how other supernatural types work.
The Red Court infection is IMO pretty clearly the RCV's version of the "scion/Choice" mechanic. All the "living" supernatural species - things with biologically alive bodies, not pure spirits or undead like ghosts, zombies, and Black Court Vampires - that we've seen enough of to know use that mechanic. Faerie and Changelings, White Court and the whole "first feeding" setup, Kincaid is apparently some kind of scion that made his Choice by his actions, even Foo and Temple Dogs (though admittedly it's not clear how the Choice works for them...)
(OK, wizards and werewolves don't work that way, but wizards aren't really a "supernatural species" -- according to GS anyone could theoretically learn magic. And werewolves are either specialized minor practitioners (Alpha-types) or people with a spell put on them (hexenwolves, loup-garou), thus just humans also.)
I guess it's just maybe imaginable that Arianna could have been the Red King's biological child pre-Rampire ... but even if that's the case she probably also would have been his turning-child, because the Red King was the first Rampire and would have turned all the other early Rampires.
We don't even know the Red King was ever human. With what Odin says about 'mostly retired gods, the power of their blood spread among their descendants', I think it's at least as likely that the RK (and maybe the LoON as a whole?) were originally Nevernever beings who infected humans to create the Red Court as a species.
--- Quote ---We know the spell was originally designed for humans and not specifically to target Ramps. It accepting a non standardized form of birthing, when as we know spells are made by intention and this particular ritual work done by the reds themselves, is all very suspect to 'plot device' to me.
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Ah - but whose intention? The Reds just accumulated energy (human sacrifices) and did the preparation, Harry finished the spell... I think Harry's intention was sufficient to change it to target a different kind of bloodline. IMO it's more or less equivalent to Harry redirecting the Outsider powered entropy curse at the Black Court vampire (falling turkey) in BR, except that in this case Harry was actually the one doing the final casting and so had more control.
Wizard Sibelis:
--- Quote from: vultur on July 25, 2018, 05:27:02 AM ---Ah - but whose intention? The Reds just accumulated energy (human sacrifices) and did the preparation, Harry finished the spell... I think Harry's intention was sufficient to change it to target a different kind of bloodline. IMO it's more or less equivalent to Harry redirecting the Outsider powered entropy curse at the Black Court vampire (falling turkey) in BR, except that in this case Harry was actually the one doing the final casting and so had more control.
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The one that used specific props to level said curse. If it was a loaded gun and Harry merely fired it, then he didn't choose the ammo or it's inherent intention/properties. I'd sooner compare it to what he does when he redirects fire to make ice. It wasn't quite the original intention, but an ingenious usage of what was already there.
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