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Is it possible to kill a WC Hunger Demon?

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vultur:

--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on July 19, 2018, 03:34:55 AM ---I don't think that the problem is that Mab isn't gentle, so much as that there's no sharp dividing line where Thomas Raith, human being, stops, and the Hunger begins, they blende into each other and are sort of one thing.  If Mab rips out the Hunger, she would take a lot of Thomas with it because they are merged.  Trying to be gentle, I suspect, would just produce the same results more slowly.

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The WoJ specifically says it's because Mab isn't gentle, though.

I don't think the two are that closely merged, it appears that the Hunger can take over in situations of extreme "starvation", against the will of the human-host.

And there's a comment in Changes that the Bloodline Curse would probably kill the human part of Thomas, leaving his Hunger Demon trapped in a "vegetable" empty-shell/mindless body (presumably the Hunger could keep the body alive at least temporarily until it ran out of energy, but the human soul & mind would be gone). IMO that strongly implies a reverse effect would be possible, killing the Hunger Demon and leaving the human intact, if you could put that level of power into it.

Wizard Sibelis:

--- Quote from: vultur on July 20, 2018, 07:09:24 AM ---Rampire parent-child relations have to be infection/turning-based, not conventional reproduction-based,

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We can't prove it to be an either Or methodology. We know the spell was originally designed for humans and not specifically to target Ramps. It accepting a non standardized form of birthing, when as we know spells are made by intention and this particular ritual work done by the reds themselves, is all very suspect to 'plot device' to me. As such I don't think the idea was specifically fleshed out in such a way, however. I do find this idea palatable for a different reasoning, mainly because in the cycle of the Dresden files, I think the Red King was his generation of 'Harry' which would imo make Ariana... Maggie. A highly ironic factiod I'd think. But I look toward the mirror/inversion in happenstance principle(as I just now coined it lol) Harry killed to protect his child, Nico killed his child to protect his own self interests, and RK's daughter wanted to kill HIM for hers. The cycles of Aeon produce many a possibility, but always the same starborn archetypes I'd say.

Gman:
The hunger demon can likely be destroyed or banished from the host. The problem is doing it without killing the host or leaving a vegetable shell.

morriswalters:
By implication the answer to the OP's question is yes.  Otherwise Thomas is in deep shit.  Of course JB may consider my idea as foolish given his superior plotting skills.

I tend to hold the superficial view the vampires are infected with some kind of virus, maybe developed by an outsider.  Who then infected the oldest Court, possibly the Blacks.  And that the various courts are mutations of the original.  And that the phrase demon is not literal.  The Skin Walker refers to Thomas as "little phage".

Wizard Sibelis:
A. Black court is probably the youngest. B. Phage means, roughly eater, Remember the Phobophages? Phages is generic... and not even denotive of vampires as we know them in the DF directly.

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