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Is it possible to kill a WC Hunger Demon?

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Ananda:
On a semi-related topic, how are wc vampires created? Clearly, being nibbled on (or even feasted on) does not transmit infection. Do they have to be born? If so, how is the creature transmitted through egg or sperm? The infection, which can be killed prior to the first feeding, is a discreet entity, it seems? Or, is it all one being in many bodies? I never quite understood what these things were supposed to be.

Wizard Sibelis:

--- Quote from: Ananda on July 26, 2018, 02:06:56 AM ---On a semi-related topic, how are wc vampires created? Clearly, being nibbled on (or even feasted on) does not transmit infection. Do they have to be born? If so, how is the creature transmitted through egg or sperm? The infection, which can be killed prior to the first feeding, is a discreet entity, it seems? Or, is it all one being in many bodies? I never quite understood what these things were supposed to be.

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Genetic disorder? From my best guess they are from the lineages of 3 of Ares and Hermaphrodites children, roughly fear, despair and lust iirc(which I don't ;p )

peregrine:
Well, we've seen them come through the paternal line.  Definitely it's born rather than made from a pure vanilla human.  Not sure whether or not a vampire mother could carry a child to term without the demon killing the baby in utero.

vultur:

--- Quote from: Ananda on July 26, 2018, 02:06:56 AM ---On a semi-related topic, how are wc vampires created? Clearly, being nibbled on (or even feasted on) does not transmit infection. Do they have to be born?
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Yes, WC vamps reproduce in the regular human way, they can't "turn" normal humans. But the person isn't fully a WC vamp until they kill someone by feeding.


--- Quote ---The infection, which can be killed prior to the first feeding, is a discreet entity, it seems? Or, is it all one being in many bodies? I never quite understood what these things were supposed to be.

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I think it's a separate spirit that inhabits the body along with the human soul. It seems to be discrete, since it can be killed...

It's possible that a new Hunger demon is simply summoned from the Nevernever to inhabit a proto-WC vamp. Hmmmm, that might even explain why the Raiths aren't as numerous as one might expect, maybe there's only so many of the right type of demons around. I wouldn't be surprised if the White Court is basically maintained by a kind of massive persistent bloodline spell...

Although Uriel seems to think of them as a form of scion, so maybe the original founder was half-human, half-some kind of freaky deep-Nevernever demon.

(There's also the "Outsider sleeper agents" wild theory, based on the "Empty Night" curse they use being the last BAT title, and also used by Mother Summer to refer to - apparently - an Outsider victory. I speculated way back when that the WC Hunger demons were some kind of "Outsider gone native" or Outsider-hijacked NN entity or whatever; that the Outsiders/Walkers/Old Ones/whatever might have a "override switch" that would turn all the WC vamps into their minions...)



--- Quote from: Wizard Sibelis on July 26, 2018, 04:01:20 AM ---From my best guess they are from the lineages of 3 of Ares and Hermaphrodites children, roughly fear, despair and lust iirc(which I don't ;p )

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Yeah, not quite. Ares' children with Aphrodite (not Hermaphroditus, who was the son of Hermes and Aphrodite in an unrelated myth) were Eros and Anteros (gods of desire/love), Deimos/Phobos (gods of fear), and Harmonia (goddess of harmony). Nothing equivalent to despair.


--- Quote from: peregrine on July 26, 2018, 05:39:56 AM ---Not sure whether or not a vampire mother could carry a child to term without the demon killing the baby in utero.

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Apparently so... wasn't Cesarina Malvora Vitto's mother?

Wizard Sibelis:

--- Quote ---Deimos/Phobos (gods of fear),
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Fear and terror, the abject giving in, subtle but important distinction.

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