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Love Potion, Huge Violation of 3rd Law?
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on July 11, 2018, 07:15:05 PM ---Doesn't matter if it's voluntarily taken or not.
Altering someone else's mind is a violation.
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I think there actually is a consent qualifier on the mind magic law. Otherwise Harry and Molly's sparring at mental invasion and defense would have been grounds for the choppy-chop in the first place.
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on July 11, 2018, 07:41:28 PM ---Morgan clearly and obviously did not know everything magical that Harry did, otherwise Morgan would not have assumed Harry was committing the murders in the first place. He also would have known that Harry didn't summon the demon that he accuses him of summoning.
That Morgan never brings up the love potion means he did not know about the love potion.
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Not to mention, Morgan hella definitely did not know about the illegal spirit of intellect Harry was keeping in his basement the whole time.
Actually, it seems kind of odd that if Morgan was the equivalent of an overzealous parole officer in at least the earlier part of the series, he wouldn't have been inspecting Harry's lab.
peregrine:
Depends. When Bob isn't "on" he looks like a normal human skull. Unless Morgan is going around Seeing things, which I don't expect he'd be keen on doing in someone else's lab, he might not have noticed Bob.
Also, note, the mind magic law is specifically against invading another's mind. That is different from entering.
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: Fcrate on July 12, 2018, 12:07:55 AM ---I don't think that Morgan didn't know about the love potion. I mean come ON.. miss 2 naked people running around? he did see the demon, and the end of the fight. One girl who was out of her mind, and naked. hmmm. Not hard math there.
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People can only run around naked when there's a love potion involved?
There's a dozen other conclusions you could come to based on what he saw.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Fcrate on July 12, 2018, 12:07:55 AM ---I don't think that Morgan didn't know about the love potion. I mean come ON.. miss 2 naked people running around? he did see the demon, and the end of the fight. One girl who was out of her mind, and naked. hmmm. Not hard math there.
Mira: Laws are about their letter, not the spirit. According to the ruling bodies anyway.
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But the spirit of it kept Morgan on Harry's ass for ten years!
vultur:
Harry says in Turn Coat that wards that "suggest" people not notice someplace are generally accepted in the Council as not violating the Law. He says the same thing about the sleep spell he uses on Evelyn Derek (he calls it "grey" magic, but says the Council accepts it).
There seems to be some sort of established distinction here, but it's never clearly explained.
It doesn't seem to be as simple as emotions vs directly forcing actions, either -- the way Molly's spell in PG is described, it seems to be emotion-based (fear), and Harry never even tries to argue at her trial that that makes it a non-violation or even a gray area...
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