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Love Potion, Huge Violation of 3rd Law?
Paviel:
--- Quote ---Getting affirmative consent to look in someone's mind might get the White Council off your back, but that doesn't mean you're not being tainted by the use of black magic.
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Isn't that what a Soulgaze is?
I could see some one-way equivalent to a Soulgaze being black magic, but the worst that happens during a regular two-way Soulgaze is that each person gets a good look at the other's soul and can never forget it.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on July 11, 2018, 08:18:45 PM ---I think that depends on whether we're talking about the practical application of the law or the cosmic-application of the law.
Getting affirmative consent to look in someone's mind might get the White Council off your back, but that doesn't mean you're not being tainted by the use of black magic.
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When talking about the laws of magic only the practical application is meaningful.
Someone says every use of mind magic taints you but nobody measured that. It could very well be that the act of giving permission is enough to keep it clean. It is not always the magic itself that is dirty, it is the application of it.
Because any act of magic is a choice to do something, a choice that can change you. Those choices reenforce themselves and some of those choices are black or grey.
Basically if you say a certain deed will taint you you say you disapprove of that deed. Well I think true well informed consent makes it OK. The technical application of the law is on my side and I hope that was based on something.
And maybe stealing with magic will taint you whatever the council says.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Paviel on July 11, 2018, 07:56:55 PM ---I'll conceded that Morgan probably didn't know about the love potion.
But as a point of order: The Third Law says "Thou Shalt Not (Use Magic to) Invade the Mind of Another." Neither the production nor the consumption of a love potion violates that law.
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A love potion may not directly enter a mind as in going in and reading it.. So in that sense it doesn't violate the Law, however it does alter the drinker's mind and thinking which violates the spirit of the Law..
Fcrate:
I don't think that Morgan didn't know about the love potion. I mean come ON.. miss 2 naked people running around? he did see the demon, and the end of the fight. One girl who was out of her mind, and naked. hmmm. Not hard math there.
Mira: Laws are about their letter, not the spirit. According to the ruling bodies anyway.
Paviel:
--- Quote ---A love potion may not directly enter a mind as in going in and reading it.. So in that sense it doesn't violate the Law, however it does alter the drinker's mind and thinking which violates the spirit of the Law.
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It doesn't matter what violates the spirit of the Laws of Magic, only the letter.
Otherwise Harry would have been executed for reanimating Sue in Dead Beat.
The Laws of Magic aren't designed to enforce any specific morality, only to mitigate the dangers inherent in specific magical practices. Even the First Law prohibits killing with magic not because killing is wrong, but specifically because using magic to kill is dangerous on a metaphysical level. So too are all of the uses of magic specifically prohibited by the Laws.
Brewing love potions as they exist in the Dresden Files, however, is not.
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