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Love Potion, Huge Violation of 3rd Law?
Wizard Sibelis:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on August 04, 2018, 06:23:55 PM ---What strawman? Please keep your arguments based on the facts and keep that kind of attack out of this.
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Quiet simply, No. That's is an attack upon your argument, not your character, if you don't like being called on it don't try to go from "the mind has no natural door way so it's always invasion" to "It's necromancy, not just mind magic.". Your sentence I quoted was your attempt to redirect without confronting the issue, that it does indeed and DF has subtly showcased this fact, because you found your position lacking, Non sequitur aka straw manning. *shrugs* i'm sorry if you've never realized this about your debate style but it tends to be the reasoning I can't communicate with you. BUT LETS ATTACK THE ISSUE HEAD ON! ... by simply drawing it forward into the light for the action itself... It is MINE style.
peregrine:
A straw man argument is absolutely not a non-sequitur.
Which is to say that a straw man is setting up an opinion that the other person never actually gave so that you can argue against what you want, rather than what the other person said.
Wizard Sibelis:
--- Quote from: peregrine on August 05, 2018, 02:27:46 AM ---A straw man argument is absolutely not a non-sequitur.
Which is to say that a straw man is setting up an opinion that the other person never actually gave so that you can argue against what you want, rather than what the other person said.
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And if you assume their argument is left of where it is(strawmanning) and then reply to that(non sequitur) instead of centerfield it becomes both...
peregrine:
--- Quote from: Wizard Sibelis on August 05, 2018, 03:58:04 AM ---And if you assume their argument is left of where it is(strawmanning) and then reply to that(non sequitur) instead of centerfield it becomes both...
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No. No. Absolutely not.
First, you said that they were the same. Not both. Not a straw man and a non sequitur, but "non sequitur aka straw manning." Which is just flat out wrong. And ignoring that, responding to a straw man you've set up is not a non sequitur, it's still part of the straw man argument. It is in fact the whole point of using a straw man. That's why you set one up. So that you can argue against the position you have intentionally made weak.
Plus, you know, he wasn't actually setting up a straw man, he was just plain arguing with you. Nothing about that involved declaring what you were thinking.
A true straw man into non-sequitur would be something like;
A: I don't think the death penalty is justified given the risk of executing an innocent person.
B: Oh, so we might as well just let everyone walk free? What crimes have you committed that you are worried about being discovered?
Wizard Sibelis:
--- Quote from: peregrine on August 05, 2018, 04:26:32 AM ---No. No. Absolutely not.
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Yes, absolutely. The reply to your own straw man is not sequitur to your opponents actual points, ergo they tend to happen in tandem becoming an inseparable entity, aka the same thing in execution.
--- Quote ---Plus, you know, he wasn't actually setting up a straw man, he was just plain arguing with you. Nothing about that involved declaring what you were thinking.
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This
--- Quote ---There corpsetaker didn't need the soulgaze. Molly initiated that. And besides, what the corpsetaker does is soul based in the first place. It's necromancy, not just mind magic.
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has nothing to do with
--- Quote ---If there's no door, they still have to break in.
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This statement to which I replied. I was supplied a straw man by omission in a reply that was non sequitur to the convo at hand. I really don't care what kind of magic it was corpsetaker did, it in no way gainsays the original point of my reply. The mind has it's own way's in, it always has as per even our own real world knowledge towards empathy, which describes Molly before the idea of magical telepathy.
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