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The 5 gods of Lovecraft
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Avernite on June 23, 2018, 08:50:38 PM ---And I don't think Nyarlathotep would like to be tied down at the Outer Gates so much.
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Exactly. If by some chance Gatekeeper was an Outsider, it would not be based on Nyarlathotep. It's like saying Michael Myers was the inspiration for Harry Dresden. Speaking of Michael Myers, here is the trailer for the new Halloween movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek1ePFp-nBI
jonas:
--- Quote from: Avernite on June 23, 2018, 08:50:38 PM ---A random wild guess that may or may not even fit the books is nothing like a scientific theory, sorry.
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actually it fits to a tittle :) you may or may not ignore the pretext presented in the books and the little clues dropped but that doth not unmake them either.
--- Quote ---Mother Winter and the Gatekeeper are rather clearly in the first line of defence against Outsiders. Now, they may be based on something from Outside crossing over, but much more likely seems that they are instead emergent features of reality; there is a reality and not-reality (Outside) and so they have to be separate. Something, or someone, has to stand on that line and maintain it - Winter and the Gatekeeper, at this time, as the prime champions of reality rather than Outside.
And I don't think Nyarlathotep would like to be tied down at the Outer Gates so much.
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A shame basing things on sheer opinion does not a theory make or unmake then. Huh, I mean you've all repeatedly tried to bat something aside with that one phrase, "I don't think." Perhaps you should?
Cthulhu saves the world after all ;)
Also emergent features of reality... even Outside reality is a feature of reality per human though of what is beyond reality. We have lovecraftian outsiders in our belief systems now, inexplicably perhaps, but if we believe in them we give them purchase, You can't close the gates you can only define them. Nothing can be considered Outside except as Lovecrafts original intention, that of things that do not, and cannot be fathomed by human minds without breaking... we fathom these outsiders of lovecrafts, we even apparently do rituals across the DFverse based on said creatures... So what precisely stops these creatures from manifesting left and right besides already having a formation inside reality to rep them? See, it's the tough questions you gotta ask yourself to think on them. That's why I take all comers on certain theorums, I've asked the right questions.
*also known outsiders have cosmic magic spells that can summon them, but they are outsiders then because?
groinkick:
--- Quote from: jonas on June 24, 2018, 01:12:30 AM ---they are outsiders then because?
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They aren't from our reality, and want to destroy it. As Jim said "God created this sandbox, and locked the Outsiders out. They can only enter if humans invite them in because it's our sandbox."
Avernite:
--- Quote from: jonas on June 24, 2018, 01:12:30 AM ---actually it fits to a tittle :) you may or may not ignore the pretext presented in the books and the little clues dropped but that doth not unmake them either.
A shame basing things on sheer opinion does not a theory make or unmake then. Huh, I mean you've all repeatedly tried to bat something aside with that one phrase, "I don't think." Perhaps you should?
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Well, I'm not the one claiming that I posit something equivalent to a sound scientific theory. As such my opinion is a fair enough argument, it just doesn't make my resulting pronouncement about the story a scientific theory.
--- Quote ---Cthulhu saves the world after all ;)
Also emergent features of reality... even Outside reality is a feature of reality per human though of what is beyond reality. We have lovecraftian outsiders in our belief systems now, inexplicably perhaps, but if we believe in them we give them purchase, You can't close the gates you can only define them. Nothing can be considered Outside except as Lovecrafts original intention, that of things that do not, and cannot be fathomed by human minds without breaking... we fathom these outsiders of lovecrafts, we even apparently do rituals across the DFverse based on said creatures... So what precisely stops these creatures from manifesting left and right besides already having a formation inside reality to rep them? See, it's the tough questions you gotta ask yourself to think on them. That's why I take all comers on certain theorums, I've asked the right questions.
*also known outsiders have cosmic magic spells that can summon them, but they are outsiders then because?
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So far as we know it's precisely the Outer Gates and the Gatekeeper (backed by millions of Fae soldiers) that keep the creatures from manifesting left and right by stopping them at or outside the Gates. No guesswork about them having an agent on the inside necessary.
jonas:
--- Quote from: groinkick on June 24, 2018, 05:13:16 AM ---They aren't from our reality, and want to destroy it. As Jim said "God created this sandbox, and locked the Outsiders out. They can only enter if humans invite them in because it's our sandbox."
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They've been invited in, repetitively. They are Outsiders because? Naagloshi are on par enough with Outsiders they are now to be contained by DR, except Originally they were a part of Reality. In fact, they were Angelic Beings.... who refused to move on. They didn't get locked out when some massive gate was originally closed on our sandbox. They were 'exorcised' later, and not by The Creator. See, this is the problem, lets look at what ya'll think Outsiders are because they are a shape that seems to conveniently fit whichever way would let you say a truth that does not directly address ANY of the larger situations or problems behind the current viewpoint. So by all means, Define precisely what an Outsider IS so I can proceed to rip the idea apart :) Cause I see a lot of assumptions in the above statement.... Just like me you speak without any attention to deductive lacuna even though you cannot prove all parts of your statement unconditionally. YOU believe it and so it comes across as your truth, just like mine.
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