The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
If Ivy dies.....
WereElephant:
Oh, and I forgot.
--- Quote from: groinkick on May 29, 2018, 04:55:09 AM ---If Ivy dies...
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WE RIOT!
Quantus:
Regarding the Archive as a Mantle and it's ability to violate the Free Will of the host: Parents can apparently make Decisions for their children without violating Free Will. It is presumably why the Fae are able to take a Baby as payment, or the old "Deal with the Devil for your First-born" trope.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Quantus on May 30, 2018, 07:46:17 PM ---Regarding the Archive as a Mantle and it's ability to violate the Free Will of the host: Parents can apparently make Decisions for their children without violating Free Will. It is presumably why the Fae are able to take a Baby as payment, or the old "Deal with the Devil for your First-born" trope.
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In the case of the Archive there seems to be more to it than that.. It seems to be handed down though the family from one eligible female member to another if I remember correctly.
peregrine:
--- Quote from: Quantus on May 30, 2018, 07:46:17 PM ---Regarding the Archive as a Mantle and it's ability to violate the Free Will of the host: Parents can apparently make Decisions for their children without violating Free Will. It is presumably why the Fae are able to take a Baby as payment, or the old "Deal with the Devil for your First-born" trope.
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I don't know that is necessarily a Free Will issue, and more a Bargaining thing. The Fae can have you eaten by dogs after all, that's hardly a Free Will thing. Stealing a kid is similarly not a Free Will thing.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Mira on May 30, 2018, 08:17:55 PM ---In the case of the Archive there seems to be more to it than that.. It seems to be handed down though the family from one eligible female member to another if I remember correctly.
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Indeed, that was my point: the family Bargain is still Binding, even if the current individual did not personally and willfully Agree to it. The fact that the Parents and/or Ancestors agreed to it is enough for the Obligation to be inherited.
--- Quote from: peregrine on May 30, 2018, 08:22:06 PM ---I don't know that is necessarily a Free Will issue, and more a Bargaining thing. The Fae can have you eaten by dogs after all, that's hardly a Free Will thing. Stealing a kid is similarly not a Free Will thing.
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I was seeing it as both, about who has the Right to make a bargain on your behalf. Now I dont know if average fae can have you eaten by dogs (Lea was only ever offering to turn him into one), but Queens can't and Bob was advising that Harry buy off Mab with a baby. Granted he was advising Harry /steal/ a baby, not make his own, so in retrospect it may not apply.
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