The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
If Ivy dies.....
peregrine:
--- Quote from: Quantus on May 31, 2018, 11:46:37 AM ---Indeed, that was my point: the family Bargain is still Binding, even if the current individual did not personally and willfully Agree to it. The fact that the Parents and/or Ancestors agreed to it is enough for the Obligation to be inherited.
I was seeing it as both, about who has the Right to make a bargain on your behalf. Now I dont know if average fae can have you eaten by dogs (Lea was only ever offering to turn him into one), but Queens can't and Bob was advising that Harry buy off Mab with a baby. Granted he was advising Harry /steal/ a baby, not make his own, so in retrospect it may not apply.
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Queens absolutely can have you eaten by dogs. That's one of the things Bob mentions that they can do (along with tricking you into drowning) as opposed to killing you directly.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: peregrine on May 31, 2018, 12:25:17 PM ---Queens absolutely can have you eaten by dogs. That's one of the things Bob mentions that they can do (along with tricking you into drowning) as opposed to killing you directly.
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Oooh, that. They can turn you into a stag and drop you near a wolf pack or some such, but they cant just sick their own hounds on you and kill you that way. In the latter case the Hounds become their own tools (like the Guard is for Harry killing Aurora) and the queen cannot claim innocence.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Indeed, that was my point: the family Bargain is still Binding, even if the current individual did not personally and willfully Agree to it. The fact that the Parents and/or Ancestors agreed to it is enough for the Obligation to be inherited.
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One has to wonder if it works like the Loop-garou curse on the MacFinn family? Harley MacFinn never had a choice whether he wanted to become one or not, he was just the next poor smuck in the family line to become it.
Not saying it is the same, but then again the Archive is a bit of a curse, that is why Ivy's mom killed herself she wasn't prepared for and couldn't deal with the burden and restrictions.. I hope one day that Jim goes into the history of the Archive, who was the first host? Did the original agree for her family for all eternity to carry the burden? Or was it some kind of punishment or curse for some violation? Or was it a random thing? By that I mean knowing that the Archive had to be carefully controlled, Merlin, not to be confused with the Merlin put the names of several suitable families in his hat and pulled out a name?
Kindler:
If the Archive were to be passed to anyone we've met, my money would be on Lydia from Grave Peril; I've always seen a connection between Cassandra's Tears and the Pythias, which are connected to the Archive. I could see Lydia (and anyone with Cassandra's Tears) being the non-Archive scions of the original.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Kindler on May 31, 2018, 02:43:45 PM ---If the Archive were to be passed to anyone we've met, my money would be on Lydia from Grave Peril; I've always seen a connection between Cassandra's Tears and the Pythias, which are connected to the Archive. I could see Lydia (and anyone with Cassandra's Tears) being the non-Archive scions of the original.
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That would be an interesting way to revive an act 1 guest-character. I like it
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