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Could Mavra be under Eb's control?
Kindler:
Personally, my feeling on the Black Council's goal is to destroy the current order of the world to establish a new one. That usually implies that they'd be the ones at the top of that hierarchy. So less about bringing the Old Gods back and more about becoming Old Gods themselves.
I've also toyed with the idea that they're trying to help the Outsiders destroy this reality so that they can create a new one, specifically one that meets their idea of what it could or should be. In that reality, death can be impossible, for instance. But ultimately, there wouldn't be much free will in that reality, because there wouldn't be many meaningful choices, or consequences for the ones you could make.
jonas:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 11, 2018, 01:58:31 PM ---Admittedly the Straightforward goal of Bring Back the rule of the Old Gods would a Damn Hard Sell. If they were trying to take advantage of the Outsiders for a more cosmic goal like Overthrow Free Will, or Kill Death, or something then there is more room for Spin.
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I find it likely the two are mutually exclusive in this case. Just from Cosmological studies, some of the DB convo with Kumori and an idea death or 'non-existence' is part of what actually makes the Gates happen. Balance.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: jonas on June 11, 2018, 03:26:55 PM ---I find it likely the two are mutually exclusive in this case. Just from Cosmological studies, some of the DB convo with Kumori and an idea death or 'non-existence' is part of what actually makes the Gates happen. Balance.
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More that I could see scenario's where the BC helped the Old Gods come to Power and it looked a lot like Stamping out Free Will for the bulk of the populace, and/or a complete redefinition of "The Rules" such that things like Life/Death, Time, Gods, and The Soul would theoretically be wildly different. "Under New Management" from the top down, so to speak.
SerScot:
groinkick,
--- Quote from: groinkick on June 11, 2018, 01:42:46 PM ---
I dunno..... I think the goals of the Black Council are to bring back the Old Gods.... I don't think anyone outside of the Black Council would like their goals, and what the result would be.
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If their goal is to bring back the Old Gods then they are mustache twirling villains. Those are so boring. I'd rather have someone with really good reasons for what they do and who just go a step too far. Killmonger in "The Black Panther" was a great villain. Hell, he convinced the hero he was right the hero just recognized he couldn't go as far as Killmonger wanted to go. That Killmonger would become what he hated.
That's a good villain.
Ananda:
--- Quote from: SerScot on June 11, 2018, 09:16:22 PM ---groinkick,
If their goal is to bring back the Old Gods then they are mustache twirling villains. Those are so boring. I'd rather have someone with really good reasons for what they do and who just go a step too far. Killmonger in "The Black Panther" was a great villain. Hell, he convinced the hero he was right the hero just recognized he couldn't go as far as Killmonger wanted to go. That Killmonger would become what he hated.
That's a good villain.
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I haven’t seen that film, but I agree with that sentiment.
In these books, we have Deirdre who went from being a sort of two dimensional villain side kick character to selflessly sacrificing herself to “save the universe” in Skin Game. I highly doubt she’ll return, but it’s sort of my pet theory that she’ll come back with some new role down the road. People argue that Nic had ulterior motives, but she isn’t Nic. She was a true believer as her conversation with Dresden earlier in the book and Nic’s retort to her admission of love illustrated. She was a character with a lot of potential, I thought, having been both a victim and victimiser at the same time. It was a shame she was never really developed.
On the “black council” thing, I still contend there isn’t one. Does Dresden even talk about it anymore since his universe expanded? It’s been a couple of years now since I read the books, but I think he dropped that theory and it only lives on in forums now, like a revenant rattling chains.
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