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Could Mavra be under Eb's control?

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Mr. Death:

--- Quote from: Ananda on June 12, 2018, 02:14:23 AM ---I haven’t seen that film, but I agree with that sentiment.

In these books, we have Deirdre who went from being a sort of two dimensional villain side kick character to selflessly sacrificing herself to “save the universe” in Skin Game. I highly doubt she’ll return, but it’s sort of my pet theory that she’ll come back with some new role down the road. People argue that Nic had ulterior motives, but she isn’t Nic. She was a true believer as her conversation with Dresden earlier in the book and Nic’s retort to her admission of love illustrated. She was a character with a lot of potential, I thought, having been both a victim and victimiser at the same time. It was a shame she was never really developed.

On the “black council” thing, I still contend there isn’t one. Does Dresden even talk about it anymore since his universe expanded?  It’s been a couple of years now since I read the books, but I think he dropped that theory and it only lives on in forums now, like a revenant rattling chains.

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Cowl is the one who mentions "The Circle," so it apparently is a thing in some capacity.

Fcrate:

--- Quote from: Quantus on June 11, 2018, 01:39:31 PM ---That's the thing, I DO think everyone will agree with their Goals, just not their Methods.  I dont think it will come down to Good Guys doing the right thing and Bad Guys being simply, Obviously Evil, Rather it will be two groups aiming at the same Goal but with wildly different plans for the execution.  The Question will be "Do the Ends Justify the Means?" and the answer can slip from No to Yes reaaaalllly Easy when the stakes are "Saving All Reality".

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How would they "Kill Death" ? Kumori said that they want to stop humans from dying from "natural causes" such as age and disease. That's not killing death, is it? Human bodies are frail, and they age, and they get diseased, to stop aging and disease you'll have to alter the human DNA into something else, by Butters' definition, a body that makes 100% perfect copies of it's dying cells. Change how the immune system works and probably change the fact that cells can get infected to begin with.
That doesn't seem like a reasonable goal to me, with plenty of capicity for messing up, besides, even if it did work the result may not be "Human".
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--- Quote from: Ananda on June 12, 2018, 02:14:23 AM ---I haven’t seen that film, but I agree with that sentiment.
How about Law Abiding Citizen?
In these books, we have Deirdre who went from being a sort of two dimensional villain side kick character to selflessly sacrificing herself to “save the universe” in Skin Game. I highly doubt she’ll return, but it’s sort of my pet theory that she’ll come back with some new role down the road. People argue that Nic had ulterior motives, but she isn’t Nic. She was a true believer as her conversation with Dresden earlier in the book and Nic’s retort to her admission of love illustrated. She was a character with a lot of potential, I thought, having been both a victim and victimiser at the same time. It was a shame she was never really developed.

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I agree, I loved Deirdre's developing character in Skin Game, and poor girl, she belongs to Hades now. Ouch.

SerScot:
Mr. Death,


--- Quote from: Mr. Death on June 12, 2018, 03:23:06 PM ---Cowl is the one who mentions "The Circle," so it apparently is a thing in some capacity.

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Which is part of the reason why I wonder if, perhaps, there are multiple factions that may not be working in conjunction amongst those who Harry generically refers to as "the Black Council".  A single unified enemy with a singular purpose and vision would be far easier to combat than various organizations that are infighting amongst themselves.

Mr. Death:
In a way, yes -- the Circle appears to have its hands in several different organizations.

I think the Circle, however, isn't that big. Up to now, their MO has been to send an agent (or several) into an organization and manipulate it to a particular end. They don't seem to have the outright manpower of something like the White Council, so I imagine the Circle itself is relatively small.

So I think the Circle is a single, unified enemy working through various organizations by manipulating them.

Quantus:
If nothing else, one of the biggest theoretical differences between the Black Council and Cowl's Cirlce is that the Black Council is, basically by definition, a theoretical group of Mortal Practitioners.  Which Harry admitted was mostly his own short-sighted assumption that Mortal practitioners would be at the Center of things (yay council arrogance), whereas the Circle is an actually verified Group in that we've witness two members discussing it among themselves as compared to the purely theoretical pattern-based Black Council, and one that most likely has a wide variety of member races from Vampires to Fomor, etc.  Possibly at least one god, if only for narrative Balance since the GC has one on the roster. 

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