The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Could Mavra be under Eb's control?
Mr. Death:
I'm pretty sure the intent is that the Circle is what Harry had dubbed the Black Council before he really understood it.
Ananda:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on June 12, 2018, 03:23:06 PM ---Cowl is the one who mentions "The Circle," so it apparently is a thing in some capacity.
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Yes, but that’s not Dresden’s conception of a black council. He imagined it early on as being rather specific when he thought the “plot” so to say was something other than it is. Going on memory from a few years ago, he thought this bc was a cabal of wizards trying to take over the white council from within for their own reasons. There simply is no such agency as the scope is much larger than Dresden imagined. Yes, there is a threat to the wc, but it’s neither localised nor specific to them. It’s a multidimensional plot looking to nullify their universe, not an internal power struggle.
Just because there is some group named at some point doesn’t make them interchangeable. Unless Dresden keeps talking about a black council in new books, I’d say it’s an outdated concept.
nedserD C B yrraH:
I keep thinking the Circle is actually Anti-Outsider. I see it as similar to the group that Maggie Sr. invited Eb to dinner to meet. You had a member of the White Court, Red Court and White Council confirmed. Arianna recognized the danger that her mad King put reality in and acted against him. Lord Raith was trying to get in on the Starborn action this time around. I expect that a KotBD(given Nic's reaction to Hellfire at AT and the saint line) was there too, maybe Mavra (a MM ally)as well. A group of people with power that have a vested interest in keeping reality and humanity going. But that group would allow very different sacrifices for that end than our Grey Council.
Mr. Death:
Anti outsider....when the only known attendees were affiliated with outsiders.
I don't think that tracks
Kindler:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on June 17, 2018, 10:48:18 PM ---Anti outsider....when the only known attendees were affiliated with outsiders.
I don't think that tracks
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We are still assuming that the Circle, or some members within it, were responsible for summoning the Outsiders for the Red Court during Proven Guilty, and various other occasions. Someone taught the Striga how to summon He Who Walks Behind in Blood Rites. And Cowl himself, the only member of the Circle who identifies himself as such in White Night has been very, very strongly connected to Outsiders, both through the Athame/Nemesis infection, and the events of White Night, wherein we are told by Lash that Vittorio is possessed by an Outsider, who is an underling of Cowl's.
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