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Could Mavra be under Eb's control?
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 11, 2018, 01:28:59 PM ---Oh, Im confident at least some of them are fighting for A Greater Good. Whether everyone will agree with either the "Greater" or the "Good" part of that, who knows. At the very least we do know of one (Kumori) that is doing it for idealistic reasons rather than selfish ones. Hell, I dont think he's BC but Id be willing to describe Nic that way.
My actual prediction is that the BAT will be a big, ugly exploration of the Grey of Magic and Morality, lots of hard choices, hard Sacrifices, and Good Intentions taking things Southward. And the whole time we'll be seeing Elaine, off on her own, doing things we dont understand and that might seem downright Villainous if viewed with a bit of circumstantial Suspicion (which is the default for at least half the fan-base when if comes to Elaine). Everything will point to her being a direct Counterpart to Harry, Summer to his Winter, the Other Starborn, etc etc. At the end it will come down to Trusting Elaine, despite all his allies telling him not to. Jim said once that it will end in such a way where it hinges on Harry being the guy at the end making the Choice (dont quote me on phrasing) such that anyone else in his position would go the wrong way with it, that Being Who and What harry is at that moment is what would make the difference. In light of that sentiment: I think it will come down to Trust and respecting Free Will: and the most difficult way to do that is often just having to Stand Aside and trust Somebody Else's plan.
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When I said "fighting for the greater good", I meant they actually are. That most people would recognize it. I'm sure that some on the Bcouncil believe they are fighting for the greater good, but most people would disagree. I mean look at Outsiders. Anything you view as evil, they are. Pain, suffering, torment, cruelty... That defines them. No grey there... Black, and white. No middle ground. I see the Black Council as Jim's version of the Sith. I see Dresden as, and the grey Council as those trying to defeat the Sith.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: groinkick on June 11, 2018, 01:34:03 PM ---When I said "fighting for the greater good", I meant they actually are. That most people would recognize it. I'm sure that some on the Bcouncil believe they are fighting for the greater good, but most people would disagree.
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That's the thing, I DO think everyone will agree with their Goals, just not their Methods. I dont think it will come down to Good Guys doing the right thing and Bad Guys being simply, Obviously Evil, Rather it will be two groups aiming at the same Goal but with wildly different plans for the execution. The Question will be "Do the Ends Justify the Means?" and the answer can slip from No to Yes reaaaalllly Easy when the stakes are "Saving All Reality".
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 11, 2018, 01:39:31 PM ---That's the thing, I DO think everyone will agree with their Goals, just not their Methods. I dont think it will come down to Good Guys doing the right thing and Bad Guys being simply, Obviously Evil, Rather it will be two groups aiming at the same Goal but with wildly different plans for the execution. The Question will be "Do the Ends Justify the Means?" and the answer can slip from No to Yes reaaaalllly Easy when the stakes are "Saving All Reality".
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I dunno..... I think the goals of the Black Council are to bring back the Old Gods.... I don't think anyone outside of the Black Council would like their goals, and what the result would be.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: groinkick on June 11, 2018, 01:42:46 PM --- I think the goals of the Black Council are to bring back the Old Gods....
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Admittedly the Straightforward goal of Bring Back the rule of the Old Gods would a Damn Hard Sell. If they were trying to take advantage of the Outsiders for a more cosmic goal like Overthrow Free Will, or Kill Death, or something then there is more room for Spin.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 11, 2018, 01:58:31 PM ---Admittedly the Straightforward goal of Bring Back the rule of the Old Gods would a Damn Hard Sell. If they were trying to take advantage of the Outsiders for a more cosmic goal like Overthrow Free Will, or Kill Death, or something then there is more room for Spin.
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If you listen to Kumori you get the impression their goals are good. The question is if she has been manipulated into believing nonsense or what. She talked about keeping people alive (hello Palpatine manipulating Anakin). However that usually means that the people they want to live will live, and to hell with the vast majority of people.
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