The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Could Mavra be under Eb's control?
Fcrate:
Unless the world isn't ours, that we stole it and the outsiders want it back. Then yes, were in the wrong. :P
Quantus:
--- Quote from: groinkick on June 08, 2018, 07:06:14 PM ---If I'm not mistake Jim was giving an example of how to write really good villains, and that their motives in their own minds are good. We know what motivates Harry, we got a pretty good idea about what motivates Eb (unless he's been lying), and others... Cowl, the Black Council, Nicoemus all have their motives, but Jim is also pretty good about drawing the distinction between good motives, and bad. Dresden, Eb, Murphy, Odin.... They aren't perfect, they are capable of doing nasty things but it's pretty clear (at least to me) that Jim has drawn the distinction about who is bad, and who is not in the Dresden Files. Unless what they have shown is pure deception in which case the character we thought we knew wasn't true in the beliefs they have displayed.
One example of Eb being dark side I have thought of is that one of the side effects of the Blackstaff (unknown to the user) is that it can create an alternate personality that comes to the surface from time to time... So Eb might be trying to track down Cowl to kill him when in reality he is Cowl and doesn't know it.
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Nah, the way I see it if he did make Harry the ultimate villain it would be in an entirely believable, sympathetic, and purely *mundane* cause. It would be a path that we walked with him ever step of the way with completely Good /intentions/, and /still/ managed to look back and see a freshly paved road to Hell. Basically I think the BAT is going to be a rabbit-hole of the Grey Line between black and white, and I could see Harry coming out either way. Not that I think the whole series will end with Harry destroying the world or whatever, but he may need to be stopped at the edge of Mt. Doom.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 09, 2018, 12:52:00 PM ---Nah, the way I see it if he did make Harry the ultimate villain it would be in an entirely believable, sympathetic, and purely *mundane* cause. It would be a path that we walked with him ever step of the way with completely Good /intentions/, and /still/ managed to look back and see a freshly paved road to Hell. Basically I think the BAT is going to be a rabbit-hole of the Grey Line between black and white, and I could see Harry coming out either way. Not that I think the whole series will end with Harry destroying the world or whatever, but he may need to be stopped at the edge of Mt. Doom.
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To each his own! Jim could pull a switcharoo on us but I don't think so. Maybe with a character but I don't think with Dresden or the grey council as a whole. I don't see it turning out that the Black Council is actually a group of wizard fighting for the greater good.
SerScot:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 09, 2018, 12:52:00 PM ---Nah, the way I see it if he did make Harry the ultimate villain it would be in an entirely believable, sympathetic, and purely *mundane* cause. It would be a path that we walked with him ever step of the way with completely Good /intentions/, and /still/ managed to look back and see a freshly paved road to Hell. Basically I think the BAT is going to be a rabbit-hole of the Grey Line between black and white, and I could see Harry coming out either way. Not that I think the whole series will end with Harry destroying the world or whatever, but he may need to be stopped at the edge of Mt. Doom.
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I love that idea. Absolutely love it.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: groinkick on June 09, 2018, 10:09:44 PM ---To each his own! Jim could pull a switcharoo on us but I don't think so. Maybe with a character but I don't think with Dresden or the grey council as a whole. I don't see it turning out that the Black Council is actually a group of wizard fighting for the greater good.
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Oh, Im confident at least some of them are fighting for A Greater Good. Whether everyone will agree with either the "Greater" or the "Good" part of that, who knows. At the very least we do know of one (Kumori) that is doing it for idealistic reasons rather than selfish ones. Hell, I dont think he's BC but Id be willing to describe Nic that way.
My actual prediction is that the BAT will be a big, ugly exploration of the Grey of Magic and Morality, lots of hard choices, hard Sacrifices, and Good Intentions taking things Southward. And the whole time we'll be seeing Elaine, off on her own, doing things we dont understand and that might seem downright Villainous if viewed with a bit of circumstantial Suspicion (which is the default for at least half the fan-base when if comes to Elaine). Everything will point to her being a direct Counterpart to Harry, Summer to his Winter, the Other Starborn, etc etc. At the end it will come down to Trusting Elaine, despite all his allies telling him not to. Jim said once that it will end in such a way where it hinges on Harry being the guy at the end making the Choice (dont quote me on phrasing) such that anyone else in his position would go the wrong way with it, that Being Who and What harry is at that moment is what would make the difference. In light of that sentiment: I think it will come down to Trust and respecting Free Will: and the most difficult way to do that is often just having to Stand Aside and trust Somebody Else's plan.
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