The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Could Mavra be under Eb's control?
SerScot:
Mr. Death,
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on June 08, 2018, 01:59:41 PM ---We've seen the things what Harry perceives as the "Black Council" have done, and they are inimical, incongruent and incompatible with what we know about the people involved in the Grey Council, specifically Ebenezer and Odin.
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Do we know why they were doing those things or are we assuming they did them only to further their own power. You are assuming no one on the Grey Council will take actions that we might see as "evil" for "the greater good".
Mr. Death:
It doesn't really matter why. What they were doing, the methods they employed and the allies they worked with, are bad. Evil, even.
What greater good does murdering defenseless women serve? What greater good does kicking off a new ice age serve? What greater good does blowing up Demonreach and calling outsiders into the world serve?
It doesn't matter what lame justifications they might give. The things they are doing are evil and contrary to everything Harry, Odin and Ebenezer have been shown to believe in.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: SerScot on June 08, 2018, 03:06:22 PM ---Mr. Death,
Do we know why they were doing those things or are we assuming they did them only to further their own power. You are assuming no one on the Grey Council will take actions that we might see as "evil" for "the greater good".
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Step outside of the story for a moment. Do you think Jim is the type of writer who at the end of the series it will turn out that the Black Council are actually good guys, and Dresden is on the wrong side?
Quantus:
--- Quote from: groinkick on June 08, 2018, 06:11:46 PM ---Step outside of the story for a moment. Do you think Jim is the type of writer who at the end of the series it will turn out that the Black Council are actually good guys, and Dresden is on the wrong side?
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Honestly? Yes, 100%
--- Quote --- “No one is an unjust villain in his own mind. Even - perhaps even especially - those who are the worst of us. Some of the cruelest tyrants in history were motivated by noble ideals, or made choices that they would call 'hard but necessary steps' for the good of their nation. We're all the hero of our own story.”
― Jim Butcher, Turn Coat
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groinkick:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 08, 2018, 06:31:09 PM ---Honestly? Yes, 100%
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If I'm not mistake Jim was giving an example of how to write really good villains, and that their motives in their own minds are good. We know what motivates Harry, we got a pretty good idea about what motivates Eb (unless he's been lying), and others... Cowl, the Black Council, Nicoemus all have their motives, but Jim is also pretty good about drawing the distinction between good motives, and bad. Dresden, Eb, Murphy, Odin.... They aren't perfect, they are capable of doing nasty things but it's pretty clear (at least to me) that Jim has drawn the distinction about who is bad, and who is not in the Dresden Files. Unless what they have shown is pure deception in which case the character we thought we knew wasn't true in the beliefs they have displayed.
One example of Eb being dark side I have thought of is that one of the side effects of the Blackstaff (unknown to the user) is that it can create an alternate personality that comes to the surface from time to time... So Eb might be trying to track down Cowl to kill him when in reality he is Cowl and doesn't know it.
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