The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Could Mavra be under Eb's control?
SerScot:
Ananda,
--- Quote from: Ananda on June 08, 2018, 01:23:46 AM ---Also, remember, there is no “black council” as such. Dresden made it up as an early working theory to explain the small pieces he could see of what turned out to be a much larger picture. For all intents and purposes, the grey council is the closest thing to a “black council” in the books. They even said so themselves when discussing it.
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Yes they did. At the beginning of Proven Guilty Eb mentions people who "share his concerns" while talking to Harry about the traitors on the Council (only one of whom was Peabody). I think there was organization before Harry was invited into it. Whether that organization is what Harry perceives as the "Black Council" we will have to see.
Again, the best story are those where the antagonists are not without cause.
SerScot:
Quantus,
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 08, 2018, 11:39:42 AM ---To a certain extent yes, But I do think that the Blackstaff will remain the only one they expect to actually DO any Black Magic (with the possible exceptions of Vadderung and Harry himself). There is still a very real Danger to their people if they started using the Black without the Staff's protection. But in all the ways that Council Law differs from the Universal lines of Light Vs Dark, they will enjoy more freedom.
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Aren't we speculating that the "Blackstaff" protects Eb from the influences of Black Magic? Do we have any specific confirmation in universe that the Blackstaff has such a function? Further, if you have organization backing the [in personum] Blackstaff how hard is it to believe that one or more of them will go a step too far in "bending" the rules to work for the goals of that organization?
Quantus:
--- Quote from: SerScot on June 08, 2018, 12:10:04 PM ---Quantus,
Aren't we speculating that the "Blackstaff" protects Eb from the influences of Black Magic? Do we have any specific confirmation in universe that the Blackstaff has such a function? Further, if you have organization backing the [in personum] Blackstaff how hard is it to believe that one or more of them will go a step too far in "bending" the rules to work for the goals of that organization?
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Yup, it's been confirmed by WOJ several times. The Speculation part is that the Blackstaff is the same item as Mother Winter's missing Walking Stick; on that one Jim has said the the Fandom has correctly guessed something about Mama Winter's stick, but did not actually confirm the specific theory.
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--- Quote ---2009 Independence signing:
Q: How is Eb protected from black magic?
A: The Blackstaff is a literal black staff. He hasn’t had it when we’ve seen him, but he has it and it protects him.
2010 Lee’s Summit signing:
Q: Can you tell us a little more about the black staff?
A: The staff keeps Eb from going crazy, mostly. Also, the White Council stole it from someone. And they really want it back.
2010 Dragon*Con @ ~1:45
When Eb does his "Laying of the Cattle move" at the major battle near the end of Changes, is that a power of the blackstaff?
The Blackstaff is what keeps that kind of thing from driving him insane and turning him into a giggling villain. Yah you don't go messing with black magic in the Dresden Files, it's very very bad for you. At the same time, Magic is something that happens because you truly believe that when you set out to do it that you should be able to do that sort of thing. That says a few things about Eb that really Harry hasn't run into in any other forum other than right there. Yah Poor guy, He's got a tough job.
@4:30
Does the blackstaff have any powers that relate to the dead?
Other than making people dead? Really, that's kind of the point [Crowd Laughs] Really but the staff itself what it really does is it keeps Eb sane while he's doing insane things. Lucky him, he gets to deal with a hideously guilty conscious and nightmares later, but that's better than later being like *Muahahahahahahahaha* Which is sort of the other option if your going to go around using magic like that.
2013 Wyrdcon Q&A
The Blackstaff is not sentient per se it’s just really, really, really powerful and tapped into like some serious elemental powers in the universe. But basically all it really is is insulation from using those powers.
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As far as "How far non-protected persons would go", well, that is no different for any other wizard at any given time; Harry's done it more than once, but it's still frowned upon quite heavily. They will almost certainly flirt with the Grey edges of the Black, but I think they will be trying very hard to Not Cross them (which I assume it not much different from what Warden's have to wrestle with regularly).
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: SerScot on June 08, 2018, 12:07:30 PM ---Ananda,
Yes they did. At the beginning of Proven Guilty Eb mentions people who "share his concerns" while talking to Harry about the traitors on the Council (only one of whom was Peabody). I think there was organization before Harry was invited into it. Whether that organization is what Harry perceives as the "Black Council" we will have to see.
Again, the best story are those where the antagonists are not without cause.
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We've seen the things what Harry perceives as the "Black Council" have done, and they are inimical, incongruent and incompatible with what we know about the people involved in the Grey Council, specifically Ebenezer and Odin.
Kindler:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on June 08, 2018, 01:59:41 PM ---inimical, incongruent and incompatible
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Props for the assonance.
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