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Could Mavra be under Eb's control?
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--- Quote from: Mr. Death on June 07, 2018, 07:00:57 PM ---Ebenezer being an explicit exception to the laws doesn't mean he was lying about their nature.
Cops have the authority to shoot people in the course of their duties -- does that change the nature of laws prohibiting murder?
My point is, the "morally dark" things that have been attributed to him have had explicit or implicit good aims. His goal, demonstrated by his actions, is to protect humanity and uphold the Laws of Magic against abuse and corruption. When asked, he showed enormous regret and sadness that he did what he had to do.
I argue he has the Blackstaff because he is as close to a paragon of moral virtue as the Council has. You wouldn't want to give the Blackstaff to anyone else because otherwise you're inviting someone to abuse the power.
So Ebenezer has lied or omitted things. Taking into account everything we've seen of his character, though, that is not nearly enough to suggest that he's lying about his intentions with the Grey Council or his opposition to the Circle/Black Council.
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100% agree. 8)
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--- Quote from: SerScot on June 06, 2018, 06:41:06 PM ---We have only Eb's word about the rationale and structure of the Grey Council. We know two other members but we don't know why they joined or what they hope to get out of the Grey Council.
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Also, remember, there is no “black council” as such. Dresden made it up as an early working theory to explain the small pieces he could see of what turned out to be a much larger picture. For all intents and purposes, the grey council is the closest thing to a “black council” in the books. They even said so themselves when discussing it.
peregrine:
They said they'd be blamed as the Black Council, which is not the same.
Avernite:
I am, myself, seeing the Grey Council as basically the Blackstaff writ large: the guys able to bend the rules to get the job done, when the official rules prevent proper action.
As such, with Harry and Odin onboard, we can pretty much assume they are facets of Ebenezar's outlook on life - a good guy, who will not hesitate to take direct action or engage in shady business if necessary, but unlike Harry, that is not his only way of acting (and Harry's growing out of it).
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--- Quote from: Avernite on June 08, 2018, 05:34:14 AM ---I am, myself, seeing the Grey Council as basically the Blackstaff writ large: the guys able to bend the rules to get the job done, when the official rules prevent proper action.
As such, with Harry and Odin onboard, we can pretty much assume they are facets of Ebenezar's outlook on life - a good guy, who will not hesitate to take direct action or engage in shady business if necessary, but unlike Harry, that is not his only way of acting (and Harry's growing out of it).
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To a certain extent yes, But I do think that the Blackstaff will remain the only one they expect to actually DO any Black Magic (with the possible exceptions of Vadderung and Harry himself). There is still a very real Danger to their people if they started using the Black without the Staff's protection. But in all the ways that Council Law differs from the Universal lines of Light Vs Dark, they will enjoy more freedom.
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