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Could Mavra be under Eb's control?
groinkick:
--- Quote from: SerScot on June 07, 2018, 12:20:52 PM ---Mr. Death,
He lied to Harry about the significance of the Laws and didn't tell Harry that he had a license to kill him if he misbehaved. He never told Harry he was his Grandfather until after Harry figured it out for himself. Eb may not lie but he has a long history of choosing which "truths" he will choose to reveal. I would be floored if there weren't much more to the "Grey Council" than Eb is choosing to tell Harry.
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what!?!? he drilled the laws into Harry's head.
The reason he didn't tell Harry about the Blackstaff is obvious for a number of reasons. First off he doesn't want to confuse a person who's shown the ability to go dark side that breaking the laws of magic are "ok" under certain circumstances. He wanted Harry to know the laws of magic, and drill home that they must be followed. Showing that he's the Blackstaff and breaks those rules would only prove confusing, and someone like Harry who's naturally defiant would be more tempted to violate the laws.
Second I mean it's a covert position, why would he share that?
SerScot:
--- Quote from: groinkick on June 07, 2018, 06:32:22 PM ---what!?!? he drilled the laws into Harry's head.
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While breaking them himself. He said they were absolutes. Clearly, they aren't.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: SerScot on June 07, 2018, 06:33:11 PM ---While breaking them himself. He said they were absolutes. Clearly, they aren't.
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And Harry who is tempted to go dark side would have had the same response which goes to show that it was a good thing that Eb didn't tell him.
The laws are to stop corruption caused by using the magic, not because of morality... They are against killing with magic but don't hesitate to cut your head off hence it's about corruption. Eb has a tool that prevents such corruption. He's the only person on the Council with such a tool so the laws are absolute for everyone else.
Mr. Death:
Ebenezer being an explicit exception to the laws doesn't mean he was lying about their nature.
Cops have the authority to shoot people in the course of their duties -- does that change the nature of laws prohibiting murder?
My point is, the "morally dark" things that have been attributed to him have had explicit or implicit good aims. His goal, demonstrated by his actions, is to protect humanity and uphold the Laws of Magic against abuse and corruption. When asked, he showed enormous regret and sadness that he did what he had to do.
I argue he has the Blackstaff because he is as close to a paragon of moral virtue as the Council has. You wouldn't want to give the Blackstaff to anyone else because otherwise you're inviting someone to abuse the power.
So Ebenezer has lied or omitted things. Taking into account everything we've seen of his character, though, that is not nearly enough to suggest that he's lying about his intentions with the Grey Council or his opposition to the Circle/Black Council.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on June 07, 2018, 07:00:57 PM ---Ebenezer being an explicit exception to the laws doesn't mean he was lying about their nature.
Cops have the authority to shoot people in the course of their duties -- does that change the nature of laws prohibiting murder?
My point is, the "morally dark" things that have been attributed to him have had explicit or implicit good aims. His goal, demonstrated by his actions, is to protect humanity and uphold the Laws of Magic against abuse and corruption. When asked, he showed enormous regret and sadness that he did what he had to do.
I argue he has the Blackstaff because he is as close to a paragon of moral virtue as the Council has. You wouldn't want to give the Blackstaff to anyone else because otherwise you're inviting someone to abuse the power.
So Ebenezer has lied or omitted things. Taking into account everything we've seen of his character, though, that is not nearly enough to suggest that he's lying about his intentions with the Grey Council or his opposition to the Circle/Black Council.
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Lets not also forget that before becoming Blackstaff, Eb was captain of the Wardens, and well known for taking down warlocks.
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