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Could Mavra be under Eb's control?
Fcrate:
Yes, every organization's members could potentially be flipped, even those infected by Nemesis. Remember something that Mab or someone said "I think".. She said: Yes, she can be cured, but she has to want to be cured.
SerScot:
Mr. Death,
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on June 06, 2018, 07:49:41 PM ---What reason do we have to doubt Ebenezer's word? What actions have been attributed to him that would make one think he's lying?
As far as I'm concerned, those other two members confirm what side the Grey Council is on.
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He lied to Harry about the significance of the Laws and didn't tell Harry that he had a license to kill him if he misbehaved. He never told Harry he was his Grandfather until after Harry figured it out for himself. Eb may not lie but he has a long history of choosing which "truths" he will choose to reveal. I would be floored if there weren't much more to the "Grey Council" than Eb is choosing to tell Harry.
Kindler:
--- Quote from: SerScot on June 07, 2018, 12:20:52 PM ---Mr. Death,
He lied to Harry about the significance of the Laws and didn't tell Harry that he had a license to kill him if he misbehaved. He never told Harry he was his Grandfather until after Harry figured it out for himself. Eb may not lie but he has a long history of choosing which "truths" he will choose to reveal. I would be floored if there weren't much more to the "Grey Council" than Eb is choosing to tell Harry.
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That's fair enough, but I doubt that the Truths about the Grey Council will be anything that would make me cringe, or totally mistrust Eb. Maybe some morally Grey stuff (see how clever I am!) close to what we knew about the Fellowship of St. Giles. Espionage, questionable judgment calls, harsh responses, ruthlessness—that kind of thing I could see, but no bombshell that would push Eb into the Bad Guy category.
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: SerScot on June 07, 2018, 12:20:52 PM ---Mr. Death,
He lied to Harry about the significance of the Laws and didn't tell Harry that he had a license to kill him if he misbehaved. He never told Harry he was his Grandfather until after Harry figured it out for himself. Eb may not lie but he has a long history of choosing which "truths" he will choose to reveal. I would be floored if there weren't much more to the "Grey Council" than Eb is choosing to tell Harry.
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I don't see how any of that points to Ebenezer being a badguy.
Does it say he hid things from Harry (arguably for Harry's own protection)? Yes. Does it say he did those things out of villainous intentions? No, quite the opposite.
Harry's lied to his allies or hidden truths from them for the same sorts of reasons ("You don't want to get involved with this," "You'll be in danger if you know this," "I don't want my enemies to know we're related."). Do those make Harry a bad guy?
SerScot:
Mr. Death,
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on June 07, 2018, 01:57:28 PM ---I don't see how any of that points to Ebenezer being a badguy.
Does it say he hid things from Harry (arguably for Harry's own protection)? Yes. Does it say he did those things out of villainous intentions? No, quite the opposite.
Harry's lied to his allies or hidden truths from them for the same sorts of reasons ("You don't want to get involved with this," "You'll be in danger if you know this," "I don't want my enemies to know we're related."). Do those make Harry a bad guy?
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You are looking at this in a very "black v. white" and morally absolute fashion. As such you are missing my point. I suspect that Eb is not the "good guy" some want him to be. I suspect that he is not a paragon of moral virtue and that by some people's defintions he may even be a "bad guy". That doesn't mean I think he is, as I said before, a mustache twirling villain, just that he may be a much darker shade of gray than anyone suspects.
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