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Could Mavra be under Eb's control?
SerScot:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on June 05, 2018, 08:40:51 PM ---Considering Odin is also Grey Council and he is clearly not Black Council, and that the single Grey Council action we've seen was a massive strike against the Black Council's biggest weapon -- with Lea and by extension Mab calling them into that battle directly -- this argument just does not hold any water with me.
I don't see any actions Ebenezer has taken -- or has had attributed to him -- that indicate he could possibly be Black Council.
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Then, perhaps the “Black Council” isn’t what we think it is. That’s my whole point.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: SerScot on June 06, 2018, 02:05:31 AM ---Then, perhaps the “Black Council” isn’t what we think it is. That’s my whole point.
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So your not saying that maybe the Grey Council is secretly Black, you are saying that maybe the Black Council is secretly Grey?
I can dig it.
Kindler:
--- Quote from: SerScot on June 06, 2018, 02:05:31 AM ---Then, perhaps the “Black Council” isn’t what we think it is. That’s my whole point.
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Okay, now I'm understanding what you meant a bit better, and what you meant about doing what's necessary, etc. If the Black Council/Circle/Cowl and his SuperPals were actually working towards a goal that was less "Destroy the World because we're the Bad Guys and that's Our Job" and more "We have to Destroy Some Things to Save the Rest" or something less obviously...black, then I could see Eb working alongside them.
That said, I think that the Black Council is way too morally bankrupt for Eb to work with them. Peabody, for instance, popped a mordite-infused mistfiend into a dark, crowded room, offing fifty wizards, for instance. There's being an antihero, and there's being a villain with an excuse.
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: SerScot on June 06, 2018, 02:05:31 AM ---Then, perhaps the “Black Council” isn’t what we think it is. That’s my whole point.
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What has the Black Council done -- either on screen or attributed to them -- that indicates that they're anything besides black-hearted villains?
Was it when they backed a plot to murder innocent women and thus prevent magically adept humans from being born?
Was it when their agents sought to blow up Demonreach, which would've destroyed a chunk of the US and killed millions?
Was it when Peabody murdered a Senior Council member and framed the Wardens to try and subvert and divide the council, then murdered dozens of wizards with mordite when he was found out?
Perhaps it was when their allies, the Fomor, were kidnapping innocent men, women and children and planned to murder an unborn child to break the mother?
Seriously -- everything that could possibly be attributed to the Black Council is abhorrent and evil actions.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on June 05, 2018, 08:40:51 PM ---Considering Odin is also Grey Council and he is clearly not Black Council, and that the single Grey Council action we've seen was a massive strike against the Black Council's biggest weapon -- with Lea and by extension Mab calling them into that battle directly -- this argument just does not hold any water with me.
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Besides which, Ariana was ultimately trying to use the bloodline curse to kill Ebenezar. If it had just been about Harry, she could have blown him up in his office at any time. That doesn't scream that they were secret colleagues on the Black Council to me.
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