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Could Mavra be under Eb's control?
SerScot:
Mr. Death
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on June 05, 2018, 02:05:11 PM ---If the White Council believed Ebenezer was dark side, they wouldn't have given him the authority to break the laws.Not quite. He was willing to go to a dinner with Maggie, who hadn't told him who all would be there.
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I'm presuming that the White Council (or at least those in charge of the White Council) are unaware of Eb's not fully loyal attitude.
--- Quote ---And in Storm Front, Harry was willing to talk to Bianca. He's been willing to talk to Lara repeatedly. This graph means nothing. As Accords members, all wizards are expected to be able to behave themselves and talk to the vampire courts in social settings.
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A fair point. I missed that nuance.
SerScot:
Mr. Death,
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on June 05, 2018, 03:35:26 PM ---Yeah, I don't get it either -- the actions we've seen him take on screen are against either confirmed or suspected Black Council/Circle agents, including forming his own Grey Council specifically in response to the Black Council, and yet it seems like half the forum takes it as a given that he's helping or leading or had formed the group he keeps attacking.
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I believe I have written in the past speculating that the "Grey Council" could be the "Black Council" after all we only know of three members. I have to wonder if this is a way to pull Harry into their orbit without Harry knowing what they are doing.
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: SerScot on June 05, 2018, 08:21:47 PM ---Mr. Death
I'm presuming that the White Council (or at least those in charge of the White Council) are unaware of Eb's not fully loyal attitude.
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Ah, I misinterpreted your line to mean you thought the White Council views him as darkside, when what you meant was they would view him as darkside if they knew, yes?
--- Quote from: SerScot on June 05, 2018, 08:25:30 PM ---Mr. Death,
I believe I have written in the past speculating that the "Grey Council" could be the "Black Council" after all we only know of three members. I have to wonder if this is a way to pull Harry into their orbit without Harry knowing what they are doing.
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Considering Odin is also Grey Council and he is clearly not Black Council, and that the single Grey Council action we've seen was a massive strike against the Black Council's biggest weapon -- with Lea and by extension Mab calling them into that battle directly -- this argument just does not hold any water with me.
I don't see any actions Ebenezer has taken -- or has had attributed to him -- that indicate he could possibly be Black Council.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on June 05, 2018, 08:40:51 PM ---Ah, I misinterpreted your line to mean you thought the White Council views him as darkside, when what you meant was they would view him as darkside if they knew, yes?
Considering Odin is also Grey Council and he is clearly not Black Council, and that the single Grey Council action we've seen was a massive strike against the Black Council's biggest weapon -- with Lea and by extension Mab calling them into that battle directly -- this argument just does not hold any water with me.
I don't see any actions Ebenezer has taken -- or has had attributed to him -- that indicate he could possibly be Black Council.
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I agree entirely, I dont think McCoy is actually Black, as there are just too many things past and present that would make no sense if he were on that Team.
That being said, as a Devil's Advocate statement: I would not include Lea and by extension Mab's presence in Changes in your reasoning. According to Lea there was a Back-room deal between her and Vadderung involved in what went down in Changes. And of any faction, SG proved that Mab would have no qualms about working beside an enemy if the bargain were sound.
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 05, 2018, 09:19:02 PM ---I agree entirely, I dont think McCoy is actually Black, as there are just too many things past and present that would make no sense if he were on that Team.
That being said, as a Devil's Advocate statement: I would not include Lea and by extension Mab's presence in Changes in your reasoning. According to Lea there was a Back-room deal between her and Vadderung involved in what went down in Changes. And of any faction, SG proved that Mab would have no qualms about working beside an enemy if the bargain were sound.
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There is a difference between working with an enemy and working with The Enemy. The Red Court were Black Council weapons -- Cowl used them and allied with them, as did the Fomor. If the Black Council is Outsider-aligned (and Cowl's presence heavily implies if not confirms it is), then Mab is definitely against it.
Besides, Mab wasn't working beside any enemies in Skin Game. Her goal was explicitly, from the start, to undermine and subvert Nicodemus's plans.
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