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Could Mavra be under Eb's control?
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: SerScot on June 05, 2018, 12:53:49 AM ---I don’t think he believes he is, but, from the White Council’s perspective he may be.
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If the White Council believed Ebenezer was dark side, they wouldn't have given him the authority to break the laws.
--- Quote ---Remember, Eb was willing (back in the day) to sit down to dinner with White and Red Court Vampires. That means he was willing to talk to beings that preyed upon humans. It suggests a certain degree of moral flexibility in Eb that may not be currently how he is portrayed.
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Not quite. He was willing to go to a dinner with Maggie, who hadn't told him who all would be there.
And in Storm Front, Harry was willing to talk to Bianca. He's been willing to talk to Lara repeatedly. This graph means nothing. As Accords members, all wizards are expected to be able to behave themselves and talk to the vampire courts in social settings.
Kindler:
--- Quote from: SerScot on June 05, 2018, 12:55:40 PM ---Kindler,
What's hard about that is we are hearing everything from Luccio's perspective. She is very conservative when it comes to what magical laws should exist and how they should be applied. I sincerely wish we could get something written by Maggie Sr. regarding what she wanted and believed or a scene in flashback with her advocating her position.
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Oh, I absolutely agree; we don't have enough information, and none of it is unbiased. There's even a function to have those flashbacks; the gem she left Harry operates similarly to research notes. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a private journal on there. I've been patiently waiting for Harry to investigate that gem more thoroughly since Cold Days. We only had one flippin' scene with it, three books ago; it's bound to come back soon.
That said, I think that Luccio was fair in her discussion about Margaret. Luccio being conservative about the Laws doesn't mean that Margaret didn't want the Laws to go further than they did, or for the Council to get more involved in protecting vanillas from the Wizards in it. My point is that Margaret demonstrated, from Luccio's perspective, distaste that wizards could screw around with vanilla mortals in absurd ways without technically breaking any of the Laws. This means, to me, that Margaret wished the Laws could be changed, or interpreted differently (the Spirit of the Law, rather than its Letter) so that wizards couldn't do those kinds of things without punishment. To my point, I'd imagine that Ebenezer being free to break the LETTER of the Laws instead of just their spirit would not sit well with Margaret at all, who already thought the Laws were too weak.
All of that aside, I do very much want to hear Margaret explain herself; she seems like an awfully interesting character. Maybe Jim might want to add a novella from her perspective, after the important-to-the-series details about her are revealed in the main novels. Might be a good pre-BAT addition to the series.
--- Quote ---My point on Eb is not that he is a mustache twirling villain. Far from it. If Eb is "Black Council/Circle" I think we have to reexamine what it is the Black Council/Circle are advocating. There is a third possibility too that Eb has been operating outside White Council sanction for some time and that the "Black Council/Circle" are a more radical splinter of the faction that Eb has been leading that is seeking change to Magical Laws which has forced Eb back into the arms of the White Council to fight that splinter faction.
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I don't think Eb is Black Council either. I think Eb is Harry taken to his logical extreme; do what's right, and damn the cost, even if it runs counter to the White Council's position. I don't really get why a lot of fans think Eb is a villain (or well-intentioned extremist, however you want to put it). People are free to believe whatever they like, of course, but I just don't get that interpretation.
--- Quote ---Remember, Eb was willing (back in the day) to sit down to dinner with White and Red Court Vampires. That means he was willing to talk to beings that preyed upon humans. It suggests a certain degree of moral flexibility in Eb that may not be currently how he is portrayed.
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Yeah. So is Harry, for what it's worth, which is part of what I mean when I say Eb is Harry taken to the extreme.
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: Kindler on June 05, 2018, 03:03:53 PM ---I don't think Eb is Black Council either. I think Eb is Harry taken to his logical extreme; do what's right, and damn the cost, even if it runs counter to the White Council's position. I don't really get why a lot of fans think Eb is a villain (or well-intentioned extremist, however you want to put it). People are free to believe whatever they like, of course, but I just don't get that interpretation.
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Yeah, I don't get it either -- the actions we've seen him take on screen are against either confirmed or suspected Black Council/Circle agents, including forming his own Grey Council specifically in response to the Black Council, and yet it seems like half the forum takes it as a given that he's helping or leading or had formed the group he keeps attacking.
Kindler:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on June 05, 2018, 03:35:26 PM ---Yeah, I don't get it either -- the actions we've seen him take on screen are against either confirmed or suspected Black Council/Circle agents, including forming his own Grey Council specifically in response to the Black Council, and yet it seems like half the forum takes it as a given that he's helping or leading or had formed the group he keeps attacking.
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I get having some reservations about him, because he kept a bunch of secrets and he does some shady things, but I just can't see him being a part of Cowl's entourage (or Cowl), for example. Doesn't fit what we know about him.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Kindler on June 05, 2018, 04:06:38 PM ---I get having some reservations about him, because he kept a bunch of secrets and he does some shady things
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Which is exactly something you would expect from the wetworks man of the White Council.
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