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Could Mavra be under Eb's control?
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: KurtinStGeorge on May 30, 2018, 05:52:37 PM ---Do we know this for a fact? Harry noticed that the fabric of her medieval outfit was cotton rather than wool, meaning it was of modern manufacture. Maybe Mavra is old, but no so old as she pretends. Mavra would pretend to be a few hundred years older than her actual age in order to make herself a more mysterious figure, enhance her reputation and make other magic users think twice about taking her on in a fight. The Black Court's greatest strength before Stoker's book was lack of knowledge about them. Mavra might have decided this was a good personal defence too.
However, that's just a WAG, and not a very serious one. There's something really pathetic about Mavra sticking with medieval clothing; which in every painting, period movie or museum manikin I've seen in such outfits, doesn't look very comfortable. Mostly it looks like it was designed to keep people warm, which isn't really a problem Mavra faces. It's like she's trying to hold onto a tiny piece of who she once was.
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I was going by the WOJ Quantus quoted, not just her clothing. Comfort is probably just not a big deal for her, and she can't be bothered keeping up with the food's changing ideas of what's fashionable.
If she's into putting defensive enchantments or concealed light armour modifications on her clothing, she might just be making period replacements because it's what she knows how to make herself, rather than for the sake of residual attachment to her human identity.
Kindler:
--- Quote from: Fcrate on June 04, 2018, 02:50:28 PM ---Nah, that'd fit fine with her beliefs, as Luccio put them in Turncoat. Grey areas of magic, White Council directly acting, instead of reacting and being passive.
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I don't think so. My interpretation of the picture Luccio painted was that she wanted the Council to do more, to expand the explicit Laws to protect more people—not act outside them. She already thinks the Laws are inadequate, and finds out that her dad is allowed to break the few (reasonable) restrictions already placed on the rest of wizards? That's an ideological disagreement I wouldn't want to be in the middle of.
SerScot:
--- Quote from: groinkick on June 04, 2018, 04:09:55 AM ---LoL.. Really think Eb is dark side eh?
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I don’t think he believes he is, but, from the White Council’s perspective he may be.
jonas:
--- Quote from: Kindler on June 04, 2018, 07:37:46 PM ---I don't think so. My interpretation of the picture Luccio painted was that she wanted the Council to do more, to expand the explicit Laws to protect more people—not act outside them. She already thinks the Laws are inadequate, and finds out that her dad is allowed to break the few (reasonable) restrictions already placed on the rest of wizards? That's an ideological disagreement I wouldn't want to be in the middle of.
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To use Magic to command the Law itself, to choose for others situations, to align one side as 'innocent', Mmmm... Seems to me she wanted to apply a systematic belief to what magic should be used for by it's holders that does not align with it's current condition. Sounds Dangerous... and a bit like some mythos's I recognize.
SerScot:
Kindler,
--- Quote from: Kindler on June 04, 2018, 07:37:46 PM ---I don't think so. My interpretation of the picture Luccio painted was that she wanted the Council to do more, to expand the explicit Laws to protect more people—not act outside them. She already thinks the Laws are inadequate, and finds out that her dad is allowed to break the few (reasonable) restrictions already placed on the rest of wizards? That's an ideological disagreement I wouldn't want to be in the middle of.
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What's hard about that is we are hearing everything from Luccio's perspective. She is very conservative when it comes to what magical laws should exist and how they should be applied. I sincerely wish we could get something written by Maggie Sr. regarding what she wanted and believed or a scene in flashback with her advocating her position.
My point on Eb is not that he is a mustache twirling villain. Far from it. If Eb is "Black Council/Circle" I think we have to reexamine what it is the Black Council/Circle are advocating. There is a third possibility too that Eb has been operating outside White Council sanction for some time and that the "Black Council/Circle" are a more radical splinter of the faction that Eb has been leading that is seeking change to Magical Laws which has forced Eb back into the arms of the White Council to fight that splinter faction.
Remember, Eb was willing (back in the day) to sit down to dinner with White and Red Court Vampires. That means he was willing to talk to beings that preyed upon humans. It suggests a certain degree of moral flexibility in Eb that may not be currently how he is portrayed.
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