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Snark Knight:

--- Quote from: Fcrate on May 01, 2018, 08:08:35 AM ---However, TWG and Archangels in DV seem to have two different roles. According to Dresden(a bit), Michael, Uriel and their bunch, He is capital G God. His Archangels can level galaxies. (Even though they can be scared to death if they're pet-named)
According to Basserina, and some other nasties/not so goodies, he is but one of many small g gods. He just gained the most influence, following, and thus power 2000 years ago, and all but drove the other gods to dust. Yet they still exist, and trying to regain some following.
There is also the fact that Hades doesn't have many believers anymore, and thus not many souls go to his dominion after they die, but those who do, he has the power to judge, and keep, for eternity. TWG has no power over that. Which makes me lean towards the "The most powerful of small-g's" theory. The attributed super powers are just PR.

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As in there being a big-G creator mantle with the angels as its "nation", and the current WG stepped into it relatively recently? I used to wonder about that interpretation, but I'm less inclined to read it that way anymore.

Fcrate:

--- Quote from: Snark Knight on May 02, 2018, 02:14:25 PM ---As in there being a big-G creator mantle with the angels as its "nation", and the current WG stepped into it relatively recently? I used to wonder about that interpretation, but I'm less inclined to read it that way anymore.

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No, no mantle, and no new WG. An all powerful god that created everything, and everything goes according to his design. If that is the case, why would He ever be deposed/step down? That is the first interpretation mentioned in the series, and it's what Michael Carpenter and his bunch believe.

Quantus:

If we assume for a moment that TWG is THE Creator Deity and all that, as opposed to one of many human-created and/or empowered lesser gods, then I dont think it is out of Character for them to step down, especially given the whole Jesus development.  Their actual Power wouldnt factor in so much as their characterization, essentially the same as how Mother Summer has Retired at least once, but Mother Winter has not. 

Now, on the topic of whether TWG and the archangels et al are actually as pre-eminant among the existing Powers as their Believers and popular image would lead us to believe?  Yes, I very much think they are, given some things we've been told directly by Jim:

1)Archangels are "Senior VPs of Creation" so Heaven is very much In Charge now
2)Angels Predate Time itself, so odds are very strong that they have always held their current supremacy rather than ascending to it recently.

Note that #2 does not preclude a War with the Outsiders that also predates Time Itself, since the Outsiders are so specifically outside the Universe (and arguably outside the Multiverse too).

Fcrate:

--- Quote from: Quantus on May 02, 2018, 06:20:50 PM ---Note that #2 does not preclude a War with the Outsiders that also predates Time Itself, since the Outsiders are so specifically outside the Universe (and arguably outside the Multiverse too).

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I like it, except: Wouldn't THE creator create the Outsiders as well?

peregrine:

--- Quote from: Fcrate on May 03, 2018, 11:25:19 PM ---I like it, except: Wouldn't THE creator create the Outsiders as well?

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Only if The Creator is The Creator of ALL Creation, and not just this particular timeline.

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