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Adam & Eve = Starborn?

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groinkick:
Adam & Eve made a decision that affected all of humankind.  Could a Starborn represent something similar? 

Snark Knight:
That seems a bit far to speculate, without any clues about whether the Genesis story is literal or 'correct history' in the DV. That might be an issue Jim would want to avoid poking into too deeply, lest he have to reconcile the Almighty and Archangels being real forces in the DV with 65 million year old T-rexes also existing. It just seems like a can of worms that's likely to ruffle some fans no matter how it's broached, so the incentive to avoid it is strong.

groinkick:

--- Quote from: Snark Knight on April 18, 2018, 04:00:13 PM ---That seems a bit far to speculate, without any clues about whether the Genesis story is literal or 'correct history' in the DV. That might be an issue Jim would want to avoid poking into too deeply, lest he have to reconcile the Almighty and Archangels being real forces in the DV with 65 million year old T-rexes also existing. It just seems like a can of worms that's likely to ruffle some fans no matter how it's broached, so the incentive to avoid it is strong.

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What do dinosaurs have to do with anything?  I don't see how there is any conflict between the two?  There isn't a single place in the Bible that states how old the Earth is, and the vast majority of believers think it's billions of years old.

Also Adam and Eve would have nothing to do with ancient history with regards to billions of years ago.  He has Archangels, TWG, souls...  Adam and Eve are part of that belief system, and their Choice led to the fall of humans.  The Angel's theme throughout the series has been about Choice, and Harry is the central person of the stories which means his Choices are probably what will decide the fate of things.  He's also a Starborn which seems to be of importance.

Quantus:
Until given evidence otherwise, I like the idea that the people otherwise known as "Adam & Eve" where the last Cycle's equivalent of "Líf and Lífþrasir" who were the two people prophesied to survive Ragnarok.  Thus they can maintain the same general prominence without having to reconcile them as literal genetic Sources of all Humanity. 

PS:  There's this WOJ along similar lines:

--- Quote ---@longshotauthor In the Dresden Files, are the fallen 4.6 billion years old or approx 4000? Big bang vs God making everything really.
@GiftedMonster How do you know that before the Big Bang, God didn't say "Let there be light." :) It's fantasy fiction, Ashely, not theology
@GiftedMonster Though for the record, the Dresden universe angels have been around since before time was a Thing. #TemporalHipsters
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Fcrate:

--- Quote from: groinkick on April 18, 2018, 06:02:43 PM ---Also Adam and Eve would have nothing to do with ancient history with regards to billions of years ago.  He has Archangels, TWG, souls...  Adam and Eve are part of that belief system, and their Choice led to the fall of humans.  The Angel's theme throughout the series has been about Choice, and Harry is the central person of the stories which means his Choices are probably what will decide the fate of things.  He's also a Starborn which seems to be of importance.

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As far as we know, his magic can affect Outsiders, for an extent, so a Starborn would be integral to the war.
However, TWG and Archangels in DV seem to have two different roles. According to Dresden(a bit), Michael, Uriel and their bunch, He is capital G God. His Archangels can level galaxies. (Even though they can be scared to death if they're pet-named)
According to Basserina, and some other nasties/not so goodies, he is but one of many small g gods. He just gained the most influence, following, and thus power 2000 years ago, and all but drove the other gods to dust. Yet they still exist, and trying to regain some following.

There is also the fact that Hades doesn't have many believers anymore, and thus not many souls go to his dominion after they die, but those who do, he has the power to judge, and keep, for eternity. TWG has no power over that. Which makes me lean towards the "The most powerful of small-g's" theory. The attributed super powers are just PR.
Edit:
I'm getting the hang of the initialisms thing. ;D

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