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Adam & Eve = Starborn?
Quantus:
--- Quote from: peregrine on May 04, 2018, 01:01:26 AM ---Only if The Creator is The Creator of ALL Creation, and not just this particular timeline.
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No, at least not by my current theory/definition of what the Outside and Outsiders are. Said Creator would be the Creator of ALL Creation, as in "of the entire Multiverse", but the Outsiders from the Void between timelines that existed before the Creator got to a'Creatin'.
Basically I think that pre-Time there was a floating Void of Chaos (per the greek cosmology) and there existed beings in that floating Void. One of them figured out how to Create and did it a lot, to the point where his Creations started Creating. At which point all the others said "GROSS, Im stepping in it!" and started trying to destroy the infestation before it got out of hand. The Creator gets to make there Rules Inside for the same reason and by the same mechanic as Thresholds (or rather thresholds are a micro-scale thaumaturgic echo of the Gates and/or the border of Reality).
Points of Support:
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I take this to mean that Outsiders are not subject to the splintering of the Multiverse at all, and are atacking all of Creation from the Outside of it, from the Void that pre-dated Creation (per several rl cosmologies including some interpretations of Genesis).
--- Quote ---2015 San Francisco signing (Coopersfield Books)
I’m pretty sure the outsiders are the outsiders and they just sort of look different depending on which universe they are trying to get into and destroy.
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From Cold Days:
--- Quote ---And this thing in my head, the thing I’d named Sharkface, was like him, a Walker, a peer. It was huge, powerful, and in a way utterly different from the kinds of power I had seen before. This thing wasn’t bigger than Mab. But it was horribly, unbearably deeper than her, like a photograph of a sculpture compared to the sculpture itself. It had power at its command that was beyond anything I had seen, beyond measure, beyond comprehension—just plain beyond.
This thing was power from the Outside,
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I think this is a reference to the fact that Outsiders are higher-dimensional beings as compared to Mab who is still subject to Time and the splintering multiverse.
Kindler:
--- Quote from: Quantus on May 04, 2018, 12:01:57 PM ---*snipping*
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I'll restate my support of your interpretation; I think that your pitch that Outsiders and the Archangels/TWG are the same entity in every corner of the multiverse makes sense.
It also makes sense to me that the ultimate Enemy of TWG wouldn't be Satan and Hell, it would be something that TWG didn't create. It solves some classic theological debates for the Dresdenverse rather nicely when taken from that perspective; TWG is omniscient and the Creator of everything in this multiverse, and most of TWG's questionable decisions and uncertain abilities can be traced to decisions made to protect against the Things from Outside. (Not looking to start one of those debates, just saying that if remove Satan as the primary Adversary, and replace that role with Outsiders, a lot of philosophical and theological questions can be answered).
groinkick:
--- Quote from: peregrine on May 04, 2018, 01:01:26 AM ---Only if The Creator is The Creator of ALL Creation, and not just this particular timeline.
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Depends if Jim prefers the original belief system or a modified version. He does have a deep religious background, and his words about not liking Supernatural portraying angels as bad guys makes me think he prefers the original. He may be vague and leave it open to interpretation though.
khadgar4606:
you know this theory is so out of blue that i am intrested on whats next.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: khadgar4606 on May 05, 2018, 12:31:42 PM ---you know this theory is so out of blue that i am intrested on whats next.
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