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Kindler:
--- Quote from: Rasins on April 02, 2018, 07:35:43 PM ---Since Harry was born on 10/31, that means he was conceived around 01/31. I know of nothing significant, astrologically or religiously significant for around that date.
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Maybe the difference between Julian and Gregorian calendars matters? If I had a starting year, I could calculate the differences between their Hastings-era roots and today's dates. (Something like every four hundred years, the difference between dates grows by three days or so, because the Julian Calendar is about eleven minutes longer). Today, EST, is March 21st, for example (happy Equinox, Romans!)
It probably doesn't really matter, but it might.
raidem:
Yeah. I think it is clear that a Starborn isn't in all timelines. I do however believe that as they develop their power, they gain a domain over multiple and expanding timelines.
In Amber, the multiverse family exists on a higher plane of existence and as such has a greater permanence in the multiverse than others. They can go to different worlds, even recreating shadowed worlds. Their existence outside of Amber (the city/world of Order) has the potential of casting copies of themselves in the Universe. This brings me to the thought that Harry might be a copy of/descendant of a copy of this higher being that traversed Earth. He isn't likely to be just be a 'copy' as he was actually born... Hmm. "StarBORN"
Ok. What I'm thinking about Starborn is this.
Starborn is related to beings that exist on a higher plane of existence.
These beings can have sex, procreate, visit other worlds. However, the circumstances of procreation is restricted to places in 'time.'
Proximate descendants of these beings qualify to pass on potential Starborn traits.
Starborn has an ability to traverse, affect the multiverse on a large scale.
We know they have power over Outsiders. It likely stems from a Amber story of the multiverse creation event whereby 'Corwin' created a twinned multiverse within the Amberstory. Proximate descendants of "Corwin" would then qualify as Multiversal beings of Power. The ones that are mortal descendants and Proximate to Corwin could be considered eligible "Starborn". Because "Corwin's" descendants have dominion within the multiverse, they have power over those coming from Outside the Multiverse created by "Corwin."
nedserD C B yrraH:
I find the descriptors of Starborn a better jumping off point. We know that multiple things must align, circumstances as well as time to produce a Starborn. We know that a Starborn has the potential to wield power over Outsiders. Harry has been referred to a fulcrum many times. I think a Starborn is a person who will make a decision or a lifetime of decisions that affect the continuation of the DV. I think the redeemed parent and one good parent is an important aspects as it allows the child to have a little of both within it with both serving as avatars for the Outsiders and Insider. Everything is vulnerable to something that is of itself. Making the Starborn a double edged sword. The Inside can't subjugate Free Will as that limits existence, whereas the Outside cares not if the world perishes in Fire or Ice as long as it perishes. Starborn gets faced with choices that count as a proxy vote for reality. A Starborn would exist in all DF realities but wouldn't have to be the same person, just the person that will face those choices.
KurtinStGeorge:
Look at the last conversation Lash had with Harry. Lash - "...because of the circumstances of your birth - because of why you were born, Harry. Your mother found the strength to escape Lord Raith for a reason."
The italics or emphasis on the words "why" and "reason' are in the book. While we don't know if a starborn can come about by chance; I suppose it might be possible, this certainly isn't the case with Harry. Harry's mother was a powerful wizard in her own right. So some magical heritage might be and probably is a prerequisite to become a starborn, but more important is that Harry's abilities in this regard were planned in advance Margaret Gwendolyn LeFay.
The second sentence suggests Harry's mother discovered something; something about Outsiders certainly, and more specifically about their connection to Lord Raith. She wanted to her unborn son to have the ability to defeat Outsiders and possibly the ability to beat Lord Raith's immunity to magic. This is a WAG. We know Daddy Raith was more or less invulnerable to magical attack but we don't know how he gained that knowledge. There's a red herring (IMO) about Raith's secret magical library but what if LR learned, was taught or was granted some limited type of Outsider magic; specifically the kind that makes someone or something more or less invulnerable to magic that most wizards use. You might think this isn't relevant because Lord Raith is hors de combat, but he might make a comeback or Lara mighty oneday get the same invulnerability her father had. If Harry realized that invulnerability was powered by Outsider magic, he might, one day, discover he can pierce that defense.
Final point is what Lash said next. "There was a complex confluence of events, of energies, of circumstances that would give a child born under them the potential to wield power over Outsiders." To me, this sounds like a formula or more likely a ritual was involved in Harry's birth and maybe even his procreation. I may have more to say about this sentence later.
Question: I assume we know Elaine had the potential to be a starborn from a WoJ, because I don't remember reading this in any of the books. Jim might be pulling a fast one on us. Maybe the circumstances of her birth gave Elaine this potential, but perhaps the other elements, like the correct ritual to infuse the energies needed to make her a starborn were lacking. Or maybe Elaine is a starborn because someone else wanted a starborn individual they could manipulate. At the moment, I don't think there is anyway for us to know exactly what Elaine is beyond a mortal wizard.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: KurtinStGeorge on April 05, 2018, 07:25:43 AM ---Question: I assume we know Elaine had the potential to be a starborn from a WoJ, because I don't remember reading this in any of the books. Jim might be pulling a fast one on us. Maybe the circumstances of her birth gave Elaine this potential, but perhaps the other elements, like the correct ritual to infuse the energies needed to make her a starborn were lacking. Or maybe Elaine is a starborn because someone else wanted a starborn individual they could manipulate. At the moment, I don't think there is anyway for us to know exactly what Elaine is beyond a mortal wizard.
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Here's the WOJ. It's important to note that whatever makes them Starborn Potential, apparently Dumorne was aware of it AND able to identify it (or something he worked with could).
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2010 Lee’s Summit signing
Q: Is Elaine another candidate to wield power over Outsiders (the way Harry supposedly is)?
A: Yes. There’s a reason Justin picked the two of them. (Editor's note: The original asker posted this clarification)
--- Quote from: laura118b on August 23, 2010, 08:01:14 PM ---…I asked him the question :)
The full question was if he had stated in the past, during an interview, that Elaine also was a candidate to have the potential to wield power over Outsiders. His longer answer was yes, he had said that before, that Harry and Elaine are just a few months apart age wise so for all intensive purposes the same age. He then told me that was one of the reasons that Justin had picked both of them to adopt, it wasn't just random kids with power. The key word in my question and his answer was potential.
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2011 Naperville Signing
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